imported_Bruce Fee

a lot of people would have the guts to do it? what if you don't believe in the law and legal system?

every drug dealer is a bad person? why? how many have you personally known.. i mean known, not shared a cigarette with?

Cops are both bad and good, but if they are protecting our rights.. then you should accept the opinions of others instead of telling them to think before they type.

wormburner

I can't believe you're defending drug dealers? !! And if you're "accepting the opinions of others," you should also accept my opinion that that comment was short-sighted and hurtful to some.
I have no clue where this "I don't give a crap" attitude comes from, but I guess that's your opinion.

imported_Bruce Fee

comments are allowed to be hurtful, political correctness is something which I deteste.

It sucks if you've lost a loved one in the line of duty, or if you are an officer protecting members of society who don't care about you, but whatever, we all have our own thoughts, and the ability to express them anyway they want.

I knew a drug dealer who sold weed to make money for school. He had no other way of supporting himself and going to school. He never carried a weapon, he never 'pushed' it on people... the demand is always there. He never even smoked his own product. People wanted it, he would supply it. Just weed mind you.

He could not keep his profits in a bank, and he didn't want to keep too much cash, so he invested in a number of things. Cops burst his door down one day, he didn't put up any struggle. 100% co-operated. The cops stole everything from his apartment.

They later apolagized for leaving the door broken because he had co-operated.

Forget what is defined in the law books, you tell me who the true criminal is. Who is the one who can't be trusted. Or who is the liar scum with too much authority.

bbarbulo

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that's all the more reason to face reality man. I've had to deal with mortality since all the shooting and bombing in Bosnia, so I've already faced the fact that, yes... one day we'll all get the worse of all the bad news. you have to be mentally prepared, and love your parents every day cuz anything could happen. that's all you can do. make their time with your precious, that way when they're gone you won't regret anything. sorry man, I may sound cold, but it's called reality.

bbarbulo

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everyone else that's cryin and bitching about my view... quite frankly I don't care. sum cops got killed by a 'bad guy' OH NO!! what's next?? is a cow gonna moo??? guess what... you go after criminals, there are some risks involved. that's why most cops stick to pulling ppl over.

if I was in the d00d's position, I would have done the exact same thing and yes, I would have shot myself as well. what's the point of a life in prison? it's the smart way out, and also to save face. luckily I'm not a criminal nor a cop, so I don't have to worry about these things

rrspexpress

Yes, every drug dealer IS a bad person. [/QUOTE]

this is a serious problem. too often ppl in society judge one another based on a single action or attribute and that's not right. everybody has their own story and their own opinion but to generalize a whole group of ppl based on your personal assumptions and experience and ignorance is totally wrong.

you would never question a guys integrity if he had to steal food for his starving family in a developing country. ppl respond differently in different situations. just because our society makes drug dealers seem as "bad guys" doesn't mean that all of them are. when an undercover cop deals to try and trap or arrest a supplier that is seen as "ok" just because he is a cop, and he is trying to catch a "bad guy". though his motive is for the good of society, does that make it ok for him to be supplying the stash to the public?

just the same for any dealer, they have their own personal motives. it could be medical bills for a loved one, could be to feed his family, or it could be so that he/she can afford to buy prada.

you just don't know. this type of generalization of an entire group is a serious problem...

n1_taboo

guanja is not bad, its like alchol used to be in the 40's so what u mean all drug dealers are all bad, and it is also used for good reasons, such as people with cancer, and AIDS, so please spare me your ignorant mind, and go get a ****en education.....because 70% of the people in canada at one time or anther smoked a J, and yes cops should be tested for drugs, look at the cops in TO, ****en charged with being crooked.....so please spare me your ignorant opinion about DEALERS being BAD, and COPS being GOOD, its all up to the person, not the profession.......cuz a drug dealer has a less chance of rippin u off, than a cop....cuz they have some street morals, where as cops dont care cuz they think they are above the law with a badge....<<just a example.....u little ****...

imported_rbjeepthing

So here's a pack of gum now i'm going to teach you how to chew it......

Who the hell are you to judge anybody for what type of job they do, especially that of a police officer, is guys like the officers that died, that are willing to put theirs lifes on the line so that you can sit back and enjoy the free rights that EVERYONE gets in this country. I don't even see why you have an opinion on this matter, because unless you are a cop, or if you even know any cops to get their point of view on the topic, then shut the f**k up.

So do us all a favour, sit back, shut up and be a true leach of society like the chicken s%^t you are. And for the record, police don't choose to just stick to "pulling people over". A simple traffic stop could esculate into a police shootout depending if the low life piece of s%^t (such as yourself for example) has a criminal record, for some stupid s**t he did when he thought it would be cool. So police oficers go into any situation not knowing what they are getting into.

So next time before you open your mouth on something you think you might have to say on any topic.... sit back and think.... "Do I really have any idea of what the f**k i'm talking about??" Chances are the answer is no, so maybe just keep your two cents to yourself, and try to buy a personality, or better yet a life.

Now before you repley to this post, realize that anything you possibly MIGHT have to say, and I know it will be f^&ked up, since you have absolutely no right brain activity whatsoever, I will shut you down and make you look like the complete fool you are....

Have a good day everyone R.I.P. to the officers that gave their lives for our freedoms and rights.

bbarbulo

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so do you have cancer or aids? or anyone you know who smokes? cuz everyone I know smokes recreationally. you can't use the 1% of ppl who smoke for medical reasons to justify 70% of the population's drug use. that's just ridiculous.

anyways, this is not about drugs or drug dealers. this is an embarassment to Canada!!! if we can't stop 1 grow op, how can we possibly stop terrorism or war or anything of the sort. Canada is so fuggin spineless. As a total layperson, I would have shot tear gas into the place, then when he's good and useless (ie. can't see isht, therefore can't shoot any1) go in, cuff him. end of story. RCMP sucks, and every cop in the nation ought to be ashamed. What has our 'law enforcement' become???? A bunch of overweight power hungry slobs, can't even protect their own life from a pothead.

imported_rbjeepthing

First of all drugs are illegal! Sorry to tell you that but you are breaking the law by having them in large quatities or growing them or selling them. Guess all of our lives would be so safe if everyone had your point of view what a great lawless country we would live in. I would be so happy to walk around shooting people and stealing all the nice civics out there since laws seem not to matter to you. You are the perfect example of the aZZ crack of society you believe you are above the law and can do anything you want.

Now for the fact some cops were charged under the police services act and some minor drug offences. The key word here "SOME" cops not all. In any profession there are your bad apples just like society but it is the way we deal with people in these circumstances you my friend have the wrong idea about living in Canada and the law system we have. Don't like it go liev in another country one less azzhole would make this place a hell of a lot better.

bbarbulo

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I think you fail to see how embarassing of a situation this truly is. If one pothead can kill 4 cops when he's totally surrounded... then what do you think a middle eastern ********* cell could do?? Sorry man, but I really think being a cop you have to realize you risk your life. So when it comes down to that... yes, it's part of the job. That's why they are allowed to carry weapons and civilians do not. Like you, when you wash my dishes at the restaurant, you don't expect to get killed. therefore you don't need a gun. A cop does expect to get killed, so he's given a gun for protection. I think this is a good wakeup call for all law enforcement. So what... ppl die all the time, 4 more isn't that big of a deal. Just cuz you may have personal ties or feelings about it doesn't make it any more tragic to me.

bbarbulo

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now obviously some of you are very emotional about it, so I'm not gonna comment anymore. I don't wanna get into a huge pointless debate. I think at some point you'll realize that death is inevitable and accept it. sorry that I'm way ahead of you in my emotional development, and that I have the emotional capacity to deal with it.

imported_rbjeepthing

Apparently you don't understand every human life lost is a tragedy plain and simple and as for civillians not allowed to carry guns I beg to differ as being a person who has the license to transport concieled firearms I would have to say come by my house and I'll shoot you with my .22 or shotgun and you'll die but hey according to you "what's one less person dead in our wonderfull country?" Humans like you should be spayed or neuterd give up your admin status cause you have no brain and are a sad representation of this board.

imported_Bruce Fee

"First of all drugs are illegal!"

So is speeding, downloading movies and mp3s that you haven't purchased, and being drunk in public.

We all break the law everyday. To the extent we do it is different, but unless you never break the law, you cannot argue it as a principle when discussing drug use.

Plainclothes officers are allowed to do drugs (c32 classification) i believe. They are allowed to break the law, provided they are not effecting anyone else. Shouldn't we all be allowed to do what we want to ourselves? Shouldn't we fight for individual freedom?

If you can't write a sentence without swearing in it while trying to prove a point, you're really not going to get very far. Most people do not need the law to follow a just and moral life.

If the only reason you're not killing people and stealing their civics (why would not take a better car?) is because there are police out there, you're probably scum. Controlling people through fear is only temporary.

I for one think there should be greater control on officers of the peace.. or whatever you want to call them... ie drug testing... personal finance auditing... etc... but I also believe they should be given more power. If someone has an AK47, the police/rcmp should be allowed to immediately shoot to kill. Regardless of the excuse.. mental problems.. temporary insanity... whatever.. if the person has an AK and is ready to go.... head shots all the way.. officers should not be forced to risk their lives in order to take a scum bag alive.

I've seen too many corrupt officers to respect them overall, but I respect the position and those who go into it for the right reasons.

I just don't agree with a lot of the 'laws' that the gov't forces upon us. I'm not too spineless to do anything about it at all, I just don't care enough.

imported_Bruce Fee

Adrian,

I think everyone should be allowed to carry concealed firearm...

Also, if you do murder barbulo over his views, yeah, it sucks for the people who know him, but to the rest of canada.. it's just a statistic.

J

i totally agree with Bruno, cops i believe do know they could die anyday and that is what they signed up for, if you were a cop and never paid any mind to the fact that this could happen...well you would be a ****ty cop....having the knowledge of that keeps you more on your toes, which in turn should make you a better cop...but not always in this case.

now we don't know the whole story yet or even really how the shoot out went down so to speculate now is just stupid.

i feel for the families of the cops just cause 4 dying in that way in the same day is tragic, but if your the wife of a cop or any other family member you know the risks too, and should always have that in the back of your mind in preperation cause it is very possible for it to happen.

and unless your any relation to any of the cops that got shot yesterday, there is no need to feel any emotion for them....like if over the course of a year 1000 canadian soldiers died overseas would you stop and reflect and think about each and everyone of them. no you wouldn't because they were fighting for something and died doing it...just like cops, just like firefighters.

i was a firefighter for 2 years and you never knew what to expect or what you were getting into until you were there and sometimes not even then, but you knew the risks and i was willing to take them if i had to. if i had of died ya its sad for my family and the firefighting family, but its not uncommon, its what happens


i don't know if all of this even makes sense, but i felt like typing

imported_rbjeepthing

I do agree with this post 99% not my exact views and expierences but you have hit the nail right on the head. Thanks you for your opinion.

imported_rbjeepthing

lol no plans of murder here just trying to use it as an example. Maybe himself dying or someone close to him would make him realize that we are supposed to live a long and prosperous life instead of dying at the hands of another human. I have lost many friends and family memebers in tragic situations (such as the WTC) no matter how prepared you are you cannot predict the shock of hearing your uncles name read with the other 4000 victims names...I'm done with this thread now everyone take none of my comments personaly just my 0.02's that's all.

imported_Bruce Fee

seems like everyone is done.. just one thing.... we are not 'supposed' to have anything.. there is no reason to come to that conclusion.

**** happens.

wormburner

Wow.. this turned out to be a great thread.
Let's see what we've learned:
1) If a cop gets killed in the line of duty, who really gives a crap!
2) Some drug dealers are really nice guys who are just trying to get by in life. (Including the bikers who own the grow ops)
3) Pot is great, nevermind all the studies that show it's a gateway drug to crack, coke etc. (And no, not in all cases, so relax.)
4) Some people on this board have their heads so far up their azzes, the oxygen has been cut off to their brains.