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DumbasSi

Look what I started. I think the original comment upset me just because my dad's health isn't that good right now. It's his own fault, but to much coffee and donuts didn't help either.

Yeah, when you choose a job that is dangerous, the possibility of deing is part of the responsibility. Let's just say that I was a cop. I'd rather die in a hail of bullets from some nut then sitting on the side of the 401 doing traffic.

I don't feel bad for the cops that died. Maybe they should have more prepared knowing that they were dealing with a violent criminal that had a long record. It should have been a Tactical Unit not some regular cops.

imported_CoasterMix

wormburner,you can't expect a bunch of kids to know the difference.......we both know drug dealers are bad people.....people who are quick to defend them do so because the product the dealers sell is one they use......but let them live in a fantasy world. You summed it up quite well......and to the guy who pleads his case by"my friend had to sell drugs to pay for school..."bull****t buddy,we all had to pay for school and I didn't go sell drugs.....the means don't justify the end......but good try in trying to make him out to be a victim.......

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

It's a shame that some of society is soo desensitiesed to things like this. . .that's all i have to say in this thread...lol

i myself get a bit heated when i hear disrepsectful comments thrown at police officers or just plain disrespect for the job they do or anything along those lines. . . have some sympathy people.

Without sympathy or any care in this world, what will this world become?

QuiCK_TiME

This is the main reason i started this thread.
when i wrote the thread it had everything that bruno said in the above quote, i decided to erase that paragraph b'cos at the time i felt bad for the deceased.

with all sympathy's in mind, i agree with B. this is truly an embarrassment.

J_ME

I'm with ILLEST CIV on this one. this thread got me more than a little heated, i don't have words to describe what i think of some of you right now after what i read.

Even though i don't personally know these officers i respect them for what they are trying to do. i know i couldn't put my life on the line like they did and do, no matter how much training i had.

is that something you really want to know? look at the changes in the world in the past 50 years. i don't even want to know what my kids are going to be going threw growing up. there are way to many jack asses out there that think they know the answer to everything and can do better when they have no clue at all and no care. it makes me sick.

as for the RCMP being an emabrassment... whoever thinks that is just kidding themselves. Where you there? Do you know the situation?? how many people did the snipers in the US kill a few years ago?? Maybe this guy did the same thing and the cops didn't even know it was comming.
Think of all situations before you guys start running your mouths. You don't know everything so don't pretend like you do!!!!!!!!!

spracingsports

the snipers didnt kill cops.... they were picking people off at gas stations while filling up..... WAY different....

whoever said it should have been a tactical unit... i agree 100%.... normal cops shouldnt deal with this

QuiCK_TiME

keep in mind, that RCMP are the police force that represents the country, they are in some ways, the canadian version of the FBI not normal cops.

even with a 4 man team, this should have been a tactical operation, hence the embarrassment.

J_ME

If i had the ability to shoot with that much accuracy and i knew people were comming after me to either shoot me or go to jail for life i would shoot them. You would too and you know it. So no it's not that different!! Tactical unit... yes they probably should have had one not denying that at all. I wouldn't go as far as to say they are an embarassment though. Maybe they underestimated the situation, but that's not classified as an embarassment. No one is perfect.

bbarbulo

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so you think the loss of EVERY life is a tragedy? how about the Iraqies killed at the hands of US soldiers? I think THAT is a real tragedy... there they were, in their own SOVEREIGN country... when the US decides to come in and flex some muscle. How about the death penalty in some states? Personally, I think people should be allowed to live, but it doesn't give everyone the RIGHT to live. I mean... it doesn't mean you should take tax dollars out of my pocket to keep some vegetable alive. anyways, that's a whole other can of worms.

my admin status has nothing to do with my views. don't bring TCC into this simply cuz your views and mine are not the same. it's not like it impacts my ability to answer stupid questions about what springs to use.

as for you, I'm sorry you can't get past your emotions and think this through as an intellectual. quite frankly, I think ppl like you shouldn't be allowed guns. the emotional aspect of your personality makes you a danger to society. who's to say that you won't get so pissed off you'll go on a rampage with your weapons. even your remark about shooting me reveals an aspect of your personality that truly makes you unfit to own a firearm. I personally think even I'm unfit for firearms bacause of my short fuse. this way I can just think it over passively/intellectually rather than taking matters into my own hands if I had a peice.

bbarbulo

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oh, btw, I'm sympathetic to their families... but that's a private matter for them to grieve. I don't think it's appropriate for an entire nation to be grieving over something that was a result of stupidity. it should be reason for alarm, not reason for mourning. time to retrain the forces and tighten up tactics. jesus, they're sending out these ppl no better equipped than you or I would be. they should take a chapter from the tactics of the French or even the Russian police and military. given how well equipped they SHOULD be, a standoff with one... or heck... even 20 criminals should be no more dangerous than making a phone call or brewing a cup of coffee. another example... take a look at what happened when those two guys in LA robbed the bank in full body armour and high-powered auto weapons. that was a helluva situation, and that was handled pretty well in a downtown environment. think about it... this was ONE guy on a farm. Another example, Waco, TX.

J

ya but in small towns like that...they become the regular cops.
I lived in a small town and my first question upon my arrival was where is the cop station? and i was showed and it said RCMP, then i asked where is the local cop station and i got strange looks, cause to them that is the local cops

DumbasSi

That's it! We'll settle this like men.
TCC paint-ball day. Cop haters and Anarchists against the rest of us.

imported_rbjeepthing

You guys really need to get your facts straight. The raid had been performed the guy who owned the farm was not there. They left two uniformed officers to watch the scene/evidence. Those 2 officers were ambushed by the guy who owns the farm. Two officers went to relieve the other two and were ambushed too so when they didn't answer their radio's the T.R.U.E. team was called in. Don't bother asking me where I got this info all I can say is it is 99% reliable and from in the law inforcement field.

bbarbulo...I would never shoot a living thing. The guns have been in the family 3 generations myself being the 3rd. They are locked up and I carry no bullets only blanks. I haven't even looked at them in 6 months most of my friends don't even know I own them and that's how I like it they are kept as an airlooom and that's it. Do not question my mental status for I am quite sane. When I can go infront of a high school and talk to them to try to change troubled kids even if I change one persons views because they learn from my mistakes it makes this world a better place forget about yourself for a minute and care for someone else.

bbarbulo

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yeah, I dunno the facts of it, I didn't care enough to read about it. nothing but bad and stupid news in the paper/on TV so I just choose to be 'ignorant'. I'm one man, what diffierence can I make? All I can really do is try to be a good person for my own sake. you were stating that you were licensed to carry concealed weapons as if you really did carry them. in that case (I'm not saying you're nuts, but a lil emotionally driven) you could be a danger. but you say they're heirlooms... that's a diff't story.

while I'm somewhat trained with firearms, I don't think I'd ever touch one. nothing but bad things can come with a firearm.

I don't care to think about others... we live this one life for ourselves and for the most part by ourselves. Ain't no one but myself and my parents/brother thinking about me, so why should I think of them. I am concerned with my family's and my own welfare first and foremost. you would understand where I'm coming from if you had been through a civil war. those who are your friends can be the worst of enemies at times like that. keep that in mind... you and your immediate family stand alone in a sea of 6 billion people. don't ever forget that.

spracingsports

youd love the police if they were russian.... the spetsnaz.... pretty much a counter ********* group...... shoot 1st, ask questions later....ive seen videos.... instead of like 5 officers sneaking in, its a group of about 15-20 and they just rush in like madmen

bbarbulo

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so you know Jay. I do love hardcore policing like that. Cops should by nature be hard. CDN cops are too soft IMO. Instead of chasing crime, they chase down motorists and donuts and avoid REAL crime at all cost. I mean, sure, they'll take down a report in a heartbeat... but to do anything about it ?? ummm... no

and don't some smartass tell me to move to Russia... CDN is a great country, but we're hardly the best of anything. we could take a few lessons from countries around the world. I do def/ approve of our banking system I think CDN banking is some of the best in the world by far!! I've never ever felt so secure with my money. sometimes they're a lil nosey, when I come in with a fat cheque, they like to ask questions about where I got it and stupid **** like that. that pisses me off... it's none of your god damn business where and how I get my money. Like one time we sold a fairly new car in our family. 99 Jetta... so we go to the bank with a certified cheque for about fifteen grand, and they start asking questions. what ****ing business of yours is it where the money came from??? esp when it's NOT cash but cert cheque.

spracingsports

the police in my little town are pretty crazy too.... which is surprising..... once they rushed into a drug dealers house across the street from my high school at the time..... shot the dealer in the head cuz he hit another officer in the head with a frying pan.

imported_rbjeepthing

I know what your saying about the banks asking questions. I walked in with a cheque from the US Government to deposit in my personal account let's just say it was a large amount and it took 2 weeks to clear. I have never seen a personal banker cry when I handed her the cheque.

imported_whosyodaddy16

Are you mad? anyone who puts there life on the line day in and day out are heroes in my book. Fireman, police, military, nurses, doctors and paramedics. you go back to sitting behind your comfy desk job and shut up unless you have something intelligent to say. until you walk a mile in these peoples shoes keep your mouth shut. your desrespect amazes me. these people put there lives on the line for you and your family so you dont have to be the one being shot. One of my good friends in RCMP in northern Alberta and I spent the last 24 hours wondering if he was amoung the ones involved. shame on you. these 4 fellow candians paid the ultimate price so all of us could be safe, and for that they are heroes. RIP...