401 closed in Milton
09-Jul-2008, 12:01 PM
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Both parties are at fault...we have no idea what the guy in the SUV was doing beforehand...he may have done the exact same thing to the Pontiac driver.
There are so many "road vigilantes" on our streets who cut infront of drivers forcing them to brake/slow down....it's just getting out of hand. The left hand lane is for passing yet the majority of drivers sit in the left hand lane and don't move out of the way. Basic road etiquette has gone out the window completely.
There are so many "road vigilantes" on our streets who cut infront of drivers forcing them to brake/slow down....it's just getting out of hand. The left hand lane is for passing yet the majority of drivers sit in the left hand lane and don't move out of the way. Basic road etiquette has gone out the window completely.
they have several witnesses actually.
09-Jul-2008, 12:32 PM
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Arrest made in fatal 401 crash
MATTHEW CAMPBELL
Globe and Mail Update and The Canadian Press
July 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM EDT
TORONTO — An arrest has been made in the fatal early-morning crash on Highway 401 that police say was caused by a deliberate act of road rage. Wayne Winsor, 39, a resident of Milton, Ont., has been charged with criminal negligence causing death, dangerous driving causing death, and failure to remain at the scene of an accident causing death.
Ontario Provincial Police Sergeant Cam Woolley said information from witnesses and evidence collected at the scene left no doubt that the fatality was caused by a drawn-out road rage incident that ended when the victim was ejected onto the highway after his vehicle lost control and “rolled violently.”
“Given the pattern of behaviour [reported by witnesses], this was not inadvertent,” Sgt. Woolley said.
Just after 5 a.m., a black SUV and a red car were seen speeding in the Toronto-bound lanes of Highway 401 in the Milton area. Police say Mr. Winsor, in the red car, and the 55-year-old SUV driver had already been engaged in some kind of back and forth before then, and had been seen aggressively passing each other.
Mr. Winsor allegedly passed the black SUV and slammed on the brakes. The driver of the SUV swerved to avoid a collision and was ejected from the vehicle after it hit the centre median and rolled.
Police wouldn't elaborate on the incident because they said they didn't want to taint any witness testimony.
“It's clear to us there was definitely some interaction between those two vehicles that was less than friendly,” Staff Sergeant Scott Lawson said. “[But] at this point we're not giving out any concrete details other than to say there was road rage taking place.”
Speaking about road rage incidents in general, Woolley said he's dealt with plenty during his career, and there's no way to pigeonhole the type of drivers who lose control behind the wheel.
“We've seen even soccer moms [commit road rage],” Sgt. Woolley said.
He recommended that today's drivers get a grip on themselves. “If someone does cut you off or you see another person driving badly, please don't try and get even – it can easily escalate out of control,” he said.
“People get so angry they lose judgment, but the law doesn't allow you to do the same offence back to them.”
Lawson couldn't comment on whether road rage is on the rise or decline, but said it is frequently spotted by police in varying degrees. “Certainly they range in degrees of seriousness from looks and gestures right through to what I would describe as a criminal act.
“Clearly we take them seriously, and if we get a complaint or call on it, we act on it.”
MATTHEW CAMPBELL
Globe and Mail Update and The Canadian Press
July 8, 2008 at 8:18 PM EDT
TORONTO — An arrest has been made in the fatal early-morning crash on Highway 401 that police say was caused by a deliberate act of road rage. Wayne Winsor, 39, a resident of Milton, Ont., has been charged with criminal negligence causing death, dangerous driving causing death, and failure to remain at the scene of an accident causing death.
Ontario Provincial Police Sergeant Cam Woolley said information from witnesses and evidence collected at the scene left no doubt that the fatality was caused by a drawn-out road rage incident that ended when the victim was ejected onto the highway after his vehicle lost control and “rolled violently.”
“Given the pattern of behaviour [reported by witnesses], this was not inadvertent,” Sgt. Woolley said.
Just after 5 a.m., a black SUV and a red car were seen speeding in the Toronto-bound lanes of Highway 401 in the Milton area. Police say Mr. Winsor, in the red car, and the 55-year-old SUV driver had already been engaged in some kind of back and forth before then, and had been seen aggressively passing each other.
Mr. Winsor allegedly passed the black SUV and slammed on the brakes. The driver of the SUV swerved to avoid a collision and was ejected from the vehicle after it hit the centre median and rolled.
Police wouldn't elaborate on the incident because they said they didn't want to taint any witness testimony.
“It's clear to us there was definitely some interaction between those two vehicles that was less than friendly,” Staff Sergeant Scott Lawson said. “[But] at this point we're not giving out any concrete details other than to say there was road rage taking place.”
Speaking about road rage incidents in general, Woolley said he's dealt with plenty during his career, and there's no way to pigeonhole the type of drivers who lose control behind the wheel.
“We've seen even soccer moms [commit road rage],” Sgt. Woolley said.
He recommended that today's drivers get a grip on themselves. “If someone does cut you off or you see another person driving badly, please don't try and get even – it can easily escalate out of control,” he said.
“People get so angry they lose judgment, but the law doesn't allow you to do the same offence back to them.”
Lawson couldn't comment on whether road rage is on the rise or decline, but said it is frequently spotted by police in varying degrees. “Certainly they range in degrees of seriousness from looks and gestures right through to what I would describe as a criminal act.
“Clearly we take them seriously, and if we get a complaint or call on it, we act on it.”
09-Jul-2008, 03:46 PM
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The 39-year-old driver had no prior record and was just released on $25,000 bail.
As part of his release conditions, he must live with his mother, and he is prohibited from sitting behind the wheel of or driving a car until his case is disposed of in court. His car remains seized and in police impound at his expense, and may end up remaining there until his trial is finished.
As part of his release conditions, he must live with his mother, and he is prohibited from sitting behind the wheel of or driving a car until his case is disposed of in court. His car remains seized and in police impound at his expense, and may end up remaining there until his trial is finished.
09-Jul-2008, 05:06 PM
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maybe a little un-called for in the ricer part, but wow you took that one to heart. hmmmm yea
Car seized at the impound lot at his expense. I bet his car will most likely end up an auction since the fee will be really high to make it worth it.
Car seized at the impound lot at his expense. I bet his car will most likely end up an auction since the fee will be really high to make it worth it.
10-Jul-2008, 12:08 AM
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In this case your right it had nothing to do with it...however in general people have no road etiquette and have completely no idea that the left hand land is for passing....or that when you see an police vehicle at the side of the road with its lights flashing you should change lanes if its safe to do so as a safety precaution.
thatsa my biggggggest pet peeve as a driver...when people sit in the left hand lane i hate it sooooooooooooooooo much...i like it wen they see u approaching in the left hand lane and signal to move over so u can pass them but some people juss sit in it....i hate it so much that sometimes i feel like tailing them unitl they move but 2 wrongs dont make a right
10-Jul-2008, 12:20 AM
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generally its women drivers that dont head way to faster cars in the left lane...I've done the test and somebody else did the test...9/10 women dont move over or they do it after a long while...while male drivers 3/10 time move out of the way in a timely manner...I believe it is because women drivers rarely use their mirrors to check for traffic
10-Jul-2008, 07:24 AM
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generally its women drivers that dont head way to faster cars in the left lane...I've done the test and somebody else did the test...9/10 women dont move over or they do it after a long while...while male drivers 3/10 time move out of the way in a timely manner...I believe it is because women drivers rarely use their mirrors to check for traffic
lol i guess
that post may cause some controversy with some of the females in this club but i am gonna observe that form now on i dont remember it only being woman but w/e i think men are more ignorant and stay in the lane if they u noe theyre pissing u off by stayin in the passing lane
10-Jul-2008, 07:36 AM
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generally its women drivers that dont head way to faster cars in the left lane...I've done the test and somebody else did the test...9/10 women dont move over or they do it after a long while...while male drivers 3/10 time move out of the way in a timely manner...I believe it is because women drivers rarely use their mirrors to check for traffic
HOWEVER...I also say guys are FAR more likely to stay in the lane just to **** another driver off...as a woman if someone is tailgating me to move over I move over...
I'd LOVE to know how you can back up your figures though...9/10 3/10? lol good one.
10-Jul-2008, 07:49 AM
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generally its women drivers that dont head way to faster cars in the left lane...I've done the test and somebody else did the test...9/10 women dont move over or they do it after a long while...while male drivers 3/10 time move out of the way in a timely manner...I believe it is because women drivers rarely use their mirrors to check for traffic
10-Jul-2008, 08:01 AM
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the 100 km speed limit is so stupid if u think of the definition...
basically it mean the MOST u can do on a high way is 100 therefore if u dont wanna go that fast u can do under that like 80 but who realy does 80 on a highway...?
basically it mean the MOST u can do on a high way is 100 therefore if u dont wanna go that fast u can do under that like 80 but who realy does 80 on a highway...?
10-Jul-2008, 09:58 AM
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I'm going to disagree....I think its equally the same number of men as women. Majority of drivers do not check their mirrors....and I find that some men refuse to move out of the way if it's a women wanting to get past. It's frustrating when your driving along and someone simply refuses to move out of the left hand lane simply because they feel that the speed they are going is appropriate. In my opinion if someone is travelling faster and they are approaching behind me I will move....it's not up to me to "police" how fast they are driving....that's up to the police. It's simple.... move over & let the other vehicle pass. *end rant*
If I'm already travelling faster than traffic in the the lane to my right, and there are no long gaps in traffic in that lane to my right, and there is already a line of cars ahead of me in my lane and I'm keeping up with them, I don't move over. What's the point?
The car behind me may want to go faster, but there is also a matter of travelling with the flow of traffic already on the highway. Nobody should expect traffic to go to extraordinary lengths to part like the Red Sea just so they can blast through.
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