ban hand guns
23-Apr-2008, 11:48 AM
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ban hand guns
not sure if this has been talked about. but what is this really going to do??
theres a petition to fill out.
www.toronto.ca/handgunban
just a tad confused. is this going to magically stop the killing??
theres a petition to fill out.
www.toronto.ca/handgunban
just a tad confused. is this going to magically stop the killing??
23-Apr-2008, 12:13 PM
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I personally do believe they should be ban.
will it reduce killings, maybe. In England there murder rate is lower than canada's per cap. I don't know.
The reason I think they should be banned. 2 innocent people at the start of this year lost their lives to handguns. They had nothing to do with the shootings, they were innocent bystanders. They're both dead now.
If those rival gangs had a knife fight, atleast the innocent woudl still be alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6JQ9cfV4Lw
will it reduce killings, maybe. In England there murder rate is lower than canada's per cap. I don't know.
The reason I think they should be banned. 2 innocent people at the start of this year lost their lives to handguns. They had nothing to do with the shootings, they were innocent bystanders. They're both dead now.
If those rival gangs had a knife fight, atleast the innocent woudl still be alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6JQ9cfV4Lw
23-Apr-2008, 12:18 PM
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Banning handguns will do absolutely nothing to stop gun violence in Toronto. It is just another way to make it appear that the goverment has a solution to a problem, when in reality they don't.
Currently handguns are restricted firearms, you need to apply for a permit to purchase one, and these permits are not given nearly as frequently as unresricted Firearms permits are.
Handguns can be legally used for target practice in approved facilities but are illegal to use for hunting purposes. To acquire one for any other reason you must be able to prove that you need a handgun for either your job (eg. armoured truck worker) or that your life is in imminent danger and you feel that the police will not be able to protect you. (I remember reading somewhere that only 7 permits have ever been granted for this reason.)
It is pretty safe to assume that those who have been contributing to the Toronto gun violence problem did not acquire their firearms in this manner.
Its easy to say, "yes ban handguns, ban all guns for that matter". Big deal, it dosn't take illegal firearms off the street, nor does it solve the problem. It only creates the illustion that the government is trying to do something about it.
The argument is that by banning all handguns it reduces the likelihood of someone breaking into someones safe, stealing their guns, and selling them illegally on the street. Good idea, however, this is a marginal supply of illegal firearms. Well every little bit counts right? Sure, but does it make sense to go after the bigger supply or the smaller supply? After a complete ban, the majority of handguns are still gonna be coming into Canada illegally over the American boarder, just like they always have and just like they always will. It is not going to solve the problem.
In my opinion there is only one way to stop the gun violence in Toronto, and that is a greater police presence and alot of investigation as to who is bringing illegal weapons across the boarder.
Its like painting over rust, unless you solve the problem its not gonna go away.
Currently handguns are restricted firearms, you need to apply for a permit to purchase one, and these permits are not given nearly as frequently as unresricted Firearms permits are.
Handguns can be legally used for target practice in approved facilities but are illegal to use for hunting purposes. To acquire one for any other reason you must be able to prove that you need a handgun for either your job (eg. armoured truck worker) or that your life is in imminent danger and you feel that the police will not be able to protect you. (I remember reading somewhere that only 7 permits have ever been granted for this reason.)
It is pretty safe to assume that those who have been contributing to the Toronto gun violence problem did not acquire their firearms in this manner.
Its easy to say, "yes ban handguns, ban all guns for that matter". Big deal, it dosn't take illegal firearms off the street, nor does it solve the problem. It only creates the illustion that the government is trying to do something about it.
The argument is that by banning all handguns it reduces the likelihood of someone breaking into someones safe, stealing their guns, and selling them illegally on the street. Good idea, however, this is a marginal supply of illegal firearms. Well every little bit counts right? Sure, but does it make sense to go after the bigger supply or the smaller supply? After a complete ban, the majority of handguns are still gonna be coming into Canada illegally over the American boarder, just like they always have and just like they always will. It is not going to solve the problem.
In my opinion there is only one way to stop the gun violence in Toronto, and that is a greater police presence and alot of investigation as to who is bringing illegal weapons across the boarder.
Its like painting over rust, unless you solve the problem its not gonna go away.
Last edited by d16y8; 23-Apr-2008 at 12:35 PM.
23-Apr-2008, 12:49 PM
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i like the painting over rust concept y8 and it somewhat makes sense that banning them will not stop their illegal import into the country. whats importnat to know is that how many gun shot murders are gang related? i think majority of them are.
the cops need to go after these gangs or wanna be gangsters with more force...the way NYPD and FBI did the mafiosies in NYC back in the 80s and 90s cuz big gangs run small gangs who run petty day to day criminals.
the cops need to go after these gangs or wanna be gangsters with more force...the way NYPD and FBI did the mafiosies in NYC back in the 80s and 90s cuz big gangs run small gangs who run petty day to day criminals.
23-Apr-2008, 01:46 PM
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negative. in fact i think everyone should have a gun. cops can't protect my car against theft, so instead i have to. so if everyone had guns and was free to use them, car theft would be a lot lower. i say, fight fire with more fire. not to mention sometimes when bums ask for money i feel like shooting them in the face. that would be easier to do if i had a gun handy.
haha j/k... it's not like the shootings take place with legitimate guns anyways. i doubt these gangbangers apply for gun permits. our gun laws should more closely match those in texas, where you can carry a weapon on your person (concealed).
haha j/k... it's not like the shootings take place with legitimate guns anyways. i doubt these gangbangers apply for gun permits. our gun laws should more closely match those in texas, where you can carry a weapon on your person (concealed).
23-Apr-2008, 01:57 PM
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^ so if everyone carried a handgun, what would that achieve? increase in shootings ... there is no reason for a person to carry a handgun ... if you say its not gonna solve anything, then why not ban them anyway?
23-Apr-2008, 02:28 PM
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ppl would be hella nicer if everyone knew everyone else was packin heat. hence, everyone should have a gun at all times. especially in grocery stores, around childcare facilities, and in traffic. if we can ensure 100% gun penetration to all those able to afford a gun, that would be a great success for our nation.
23-Apr-2008, 02:35 PM
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i have 6 or 7 guns on me at the moment, and a couple dozen more at home. just in case i also strap an extra one to the underside of my dog when i take him for a walk just in case. you never know...
23-Apr-2008, 02:36 PM
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ppl would be hella nicer if everyone knew everyone else was packin heat. hence, everyone should have a gun at all times. especially in grocery stores, around childcare facilities, and in traffic. if we can ensure 100% gun penetration to all those able to afford a gun, that would be a great success for our nation.
really you think so? i've lost it on people on the highway, and Im sane. I would hate to think what some retard who would normally just swear at you, throw things at you would do if he had a handgun.
23-Apr-2008, 02:37 PM
#20
fingolfin, you realize I'm joking, right? i neither have guns nor a dog.
however, i do think people should be allowed to carry concealed weapons with a permit like in the US.
as I said before, guns used for violence aren't exactly legitimate so banning guns altogether wouldn't help the problem.
however, i do think people should be allowed to carry concealed weapons with a permit like in the US.
as I said before, guns used for violence aren't exactly legitimate so banning guns altogether wouldn't help the problem.
Last edited by bbarbulo; 23-Apr-2008 at 02:39 PM.
