The debate continues... (street racing)

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18-Jun-2003, 05:02 PM

Nova_Dust

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The debate continues... (street racing)

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Sooooooooooooo............ why assume at all then? Does it make you feel better? Aaaand why ask me how they reacted? I wasn't there either and you know that. Therefore I won't make presumptions. Thank you for helping me make my point. So stop guessing and drop it.

Assume it doesn’t make me feel better, I wasn’t seeking comfort from any assumptions. I was arguing base on possible situations that I thought of. Whether the truth matches with my scenarios or not I do not know. But both you and I know that something occurred during the course of driving.

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And since you mention laws and how we must abide by them, judges and juries must adhere to these same laws.. the same laws and rules that require FACT and not ASSUMPTIONS or GUESSES to determine if someone was guilty of a crime. Does 'innocent until proven guilty' mean anything to you? And don't bother to tailor and skew that last statement to further make your 'point'. To do so would be contradictory and hypocritical.

I am not a judge to begin with, and I didn’t say what the people did exactly in the car. I gave a couple possible situations and that was that. And I gave my opinion. As for innocent until proven guilty, I believe in guilty until proven innocent as some countries practice their law base upon.

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people who do make big mistakes are of great value to society. They're not a write off as you so happen to propose. More importantly, street racing is not an offense punishable by death.

How so? I would like to read some examples. Are you referring to the true story of “Catch Me If You Can”? or a smart computer hacker who later became an agent working for FBI? So, driving carelessly and kill someone is not a write off, but rather, a great value to the society, is that it? I don’t think I said those who street race should be dead immediately, and yes, I did wish death upon those who street race because as I stated, a car can be a tool to get your from A to B, it can also kill people if operated under wrongful instructions.

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The ANCIENT logic of 'an eye for an eye' is what some proponents concur is justification for the use of capital punishment. However, the moral implications of using this as a standard for punishment are inconsistent. We do not use sexual assault as a punishment for rapists, nor do we burn down arsonists' homes. This logic, though, is the very same that attempts to legitimize the taking of human life. More importantly, the strict following of this logic is impossible to accomplish, even in the case of capital crimes.

To understand the inappropriateness of the death penalty, it is important that the primary job of a govenment be understood. At it's root, the job of laws are to protect the citizens of a nation, not to establish the government as an agent of retributive justice. The use of capital punishment isn't critical, let alone necessary, for the protection of citizens; a standard punishment of life imprisonment without parole is just as effective, perhaps even more, than the administration of the death penalty. (Cost effectiveness is not even an issue i'm willing to entertain. You cannot put a price on the value of a human being as Ford Motors Co. so shamefully did back in the mid seventies.... ANYWHO.)

I believe the government’s job is to protect its citizen, no doubt in that. And yes, innocent human life should not be put a dollar sign on it but I resent to value the life of a criminal, or someone who killed another person. You kill someone with proven intents, your life should be ended.

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One common misconception held by advocates of capital punishment is that its use is critical to deterring violent crime. However, there are some flawed basic assumptions that are overlooked in this argument. One such fallicy is that people commiting capital crimes are rational. The fact of the matter, however, is that most premeditated killers are relying on the idea that they won't be punished for their acts. No matter how harsh a possible consequense is, nothing will deter someone.

If I read this statement correctly, are you saying that rational killers know for fact that they will not be punished for their acts? For instance, plea insanity? I agree that the laws doesn’t deter people from committing crimes, which is really the sad part. But what good are these people to the society if you gonna put them behind the bars, without parole for the rest of their lives?

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Envisioning your kid in the drivers seat was not an example in order to justify their actions or to be a little more leniant. It was to give you a different perspective on your views of deserving to die. You took it out of context. If it was your own child racing, do you believe he deserves death? And if he did survive? Are you going to murder him anyway because he brought shame to your family? I would hope not.

I believe in Capital Punishment and when you take away a person’s life with proven intent, you in return should end the journey of your life as of this very point. That goes for my family and I.

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You can't assume or guess what actions the passengers were taking. Go rent "12 Angry Men". If you've already seen it, watch it again.

To assume is to provide possible scenarios that occurred in the given situation. It is in the same concept as a hypothesis. If the formula doesn’t work out to the end, there must be another explanation for the cause of it. Again, I assumed, but I never said those were exactly what happened that day.

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Street racing is not a crime punishable by death.

Street Racing and kill a person during the accident should be punished by death.

PS. This post was meant for a debate and argument. In no way it was meant for flame war bait. I have no intent to personal attack anyone. If my words seem that way, I apologize.