punkindrublic

praising god wouldn't give me any satisfaction.... if i wanted satisfaction i'd just jerk off or something... instant satisfaction

EKdude

Sure you can jerk off and have instant satisfaction.. but only temporarily... next time try jerking of constantly until you can't anymore then would you be satisfied?
No, because you can't be satisfied by only this way.. this only satisfies your fantasies & desires... lol

bbarbulo

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Ahhh... yes, but what about Austin 3:16 "For those who trespass upon me, and disrepect my authority, shalt recieve the Stone Cold Steve Austin" j/k EKdude...

tell me this! you say it is beneficial to us to worship and praise God, for he is good. Where is this goodness manifested? In the video where the chechnyan soldier beheaded the russian soldier (I'm assuming they are both soldiers) and stuck his severed head on the knife in front of his body? Or is his goodness manifested in the starving children in thirld world countries... or maybe the American bombing of the middle east? Maybe I'm mistaken... maybe the goodness is in SARS, AIDS, Hepatitis, meningitis, or in the slums of american urban centers where disease and poverty go hand in hand? Where, oh where is the goodness?

I've sought God in many places, Christianity, Budhism, Islam, Hinduism.... I've searched high and low. Seems to me that Hinduism comes the closest to being truly a religion worth believing in... it seeks personal well being, a calm soul within the body, never saying you are going to hell or heaven for doing so-and-so. It directs you to be peaceful within oneself, be content with your state. Achieve personal utopia. Depending on who you listen to, some even claim God does not exist, but rather energy. It's hard to comprehend...

EKdude

It was on the front page of the Torontosun couple of days ago.. the guy was praised as a hero, a guardian angel and so forth...

He got recognition for saving a life by risking his own. If no one gave him any praises and recognition people would not be satisfied.. he will constantly be praise for the rest of his life i'm pretty sure...

bbarbulo

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A test of faith would be to SHOW/PROVE you exist, and say... you do as I say, you will be granted eternal life, but if you choose otherwise, you will perish. Then, it's up to us to choose immediate satisfaction, or eternal existance. BTW, where does it talk about damnation... cuz if I'm "bad" and I perish, what's the difference, I'll be dead and won't know any better.... CUZ I'M DEAD. Haha, that's not such a bad deal.

As for John 3:16, says who?? Some book that a guy like you or me wrote and claimed to be the word of God... and then they went around the world killing anyone who wouldn't believe (Inquisition, if you need to refresh your memory).

EKdude, you start with a false premise to base your argument... that's why it's inherently weak. You start with the premise that God exists, and you explain everything by referring back to "God exists". This is a common trait of all religions that claim "theirs is the only right one". Another thing about Christinity, is that Islam is WAY more stricter than Christianity, so if C is the only right religion, then by default Islam would have to qualify you for heaven, but if Islam is the right religion, then C would NOT qualify you for heaven since Islam is more strict, so being a good Christian only makes you 1/2 assed Muslim... (heaven = salvation in my argument BTW).

bbarbulo

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Not likely... tell me, who was the 10th firefighter on the scene of NYC WTC disaster? Did he risk his life? Sure.... do you know his name? Do you praise him?

What about the 1st person on the scene of the Oklahoma Bombing? Do you praise him?

Ppl forget these clowns we call heros real fast...

punkindrublic

its cause they aren't hero's they are doing there job.... to me honestly religion in north america is jsut a money making scam... should i feel satisfaction for tossing a $5 bill into the collection thing?? so the preist can rape a few 10 year old boys?? i can't support that

bbarbulo

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"I think, therefore I am" is a statement made by a medevial philosopher who sat there and said... I'm gonna forget about all the things I know, start from nothing. How do I know I'm not actually a butterfly having a dream about being a human... how do I know that THIS (life) is for real? Well, I can think! And that's how it came to be "I think, therefore I am".

If you can prove to me that it inherently must be true that God exists by way of logical thought... I am inclined to believe.

I was once told "you ever been to China?" i said "no"... "you believe China is there and exists", I said "yes"... "so God exists by the same token" this was the most ridiculous and the weakest argument I'd ever heard LOL, but the guy believed it because he started with the premise that God exists

punkindrublic

i dont feel any connection to any religion i've ever looked into... the only thing i feel connection to is political punk rock and hip hop that opens up society and shows us all how ugly it is

EKdude

HAHA your jokes dude!


But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure. This is whats happening in this world is it not?


Well i'm glad to hear that you have found your religion, but it should not only be about religion, it should be a lifestyle and if that is your belief I totally respect that and I hope you find the energy in your personal Utopia.

Unfortunately I'm still a learner in my life and things happened in my life that leaves me know choice, but to believe in God.

EKdude

To each holds his own... you have yours and I have mine...

EKdude

time to go for lunch... starving!

bbarbulo

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Yes, but it's also been happening for the past 1000 years, and the end has yet to come?? Think of the revolutions, the betrayal (starting in times of Julius Caesar)... the Roman empire collapsed cuz they got soooo greedy, they taxed the crap out of ppl, they mined all the gold and traded it all for luxury goods from India, and their economy collapesed... cuz of the lust for luxury!

All the things you just said have been happeneing forever, it's human nature. That's why it's worded like that, cuz your whole life you look around and you see all the things that passage says, and you think the end is near, the end is near... so you be a good Christian for that reason... and then you die. So whoever wrote the book controlled you completely for the duration of your life! It's the perfect tool for controlling behaviour. The only way any end will come is a natural disaster big enough (not in our lifetime), or a shortage of resources (in which case a lot of ppl will perish, but also a great majority will survive), or a massive epidemic like the black plague that will be released as a means to control popullation growth to ensure we don't run out of resources.

punkindrublic

ya me to... all this posting get making me hungry

Gallagher

i stopped reading this thread because it got so boring.

bbarbulo

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**** you boiiiiii it's called philosophical debate on deities

Gallagher

yes

punkindrublic

there is nothing boring about steves mom in bed let me tell you

ok i'm actually going to the job fair thing in hamilton... maybe somebody will give me a job

Gallagher

nobody wants someone as useless as you

imported_gatherer

well here's a cookie I'm going to toss out there...

if there was a super all knowing being (we'll call it god at the moment) then

GOD DOES NOT AND CANNOT THINK.

here's the proof:

why do we think? to figure something out, to come to a conclusion and make a decision. thats why anything thinks any animal on this planet, thinks. Animals (and ourselves) think to decide where to look for food and shelter and procreate etc. we do not know what is to happen next therefore we have to make choices based on past results, we think.

However as God is all knowing if he even trys to think about a problem he would contradict himself since he already knows the results of all possible actions and has already made all choices before coming to the point where he'd have to think. since the answer and decision are known before the question the question is not asked and therefore the thinking process never begins in God. God didn't have to think to figure out if I'd type out this post god already knew what I was going to type and say and therefore didn't even think about it. however I had to think about my words and choose them so that I could communicate. Since I was making decisions I was thinking. I did not know what the result would be before I started. but tby thinking I came to a reasonable conclusion and the thought process continued as I wrote so that the next set of words could be choosen.

God on the other hand knew that this was going to be the last sentance and didn't have to think about it.