imported_Bruce Fee

So have a lot of you heard about this?

News Link

The basic story is some guy made a cartoon joke about Mohammed promoting violence. This was offensive to a bunch of Muslim guys who took up a bunch of guns and Danish embassy or something demanding an apology or else they would use violence.

As a result of this, countries around Europe reprinted the cartoon to show that they value free speech and will not live under the rules of one religion or one group.

If you want to mix with other societies, you have to understand, you cannot force them to have your views.

I do not come to your house and tell you how to raise or children or what you are allowed to do when being intimate with your partner.

I support interrogation and torture provided they know the guy is guilty and has information beyond any reasonable doubt. I also do not believe in taking prisoners when the soldiers are volunteers.

If the US is willing to commit the evils they do for money... do these idiots not know what they will do for revenge? You can only push a jihad with someone bigger for so far.

concentration camps won't be too far away.

Thoughts?

imported_My93Civic

Its funny that when this stuff happens against Christians, no one cares. I even seen these fricking joke cartoon avatars displaying Christ and his crucification. I got offended by it but what can I do?

But when this happens to muslims, all hell breaks loose.

What can I except. islam is getting too much respect.

I wonder why mohammad cannot be potrayed...doesn't seem like any harm to me...someone care to explain?

imported_hdave

^ exactly i agree with you

i see lots of fun being pokes at hinduism and lots of other religions out there, and when it comes to them its a huge deal

a joke is a joke i dont care

Brett

I sympathize with the Muslims point of view, but disagree with there response. They can't expect secular societies to follow religious laws. I think they need to take a breather and realize that you can't force other societies to conform to their point of view. All the power to the Europeans for not backing down. Bruce im a little disappointed in you, i figured you would have posted a thread on this topic a few weeks ago!

imported_Bruce Fee

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."

H. L. Mencken

imported_Bruce Fee

Another Good read.... the enemies of freedom of expression are my enemies.

Hitler was more tolerant.

"Protesters called for the death of anyone who insults Muhammad..."

imported_gatherer

I agree with Brett's View on this..

the Islam world's response to this has been completely inappropriate these people need to learn how to chill...

I mean the stress of being mad and angry all the time has got to lower life expectancy in this group...and probably lower the average lifre expency more then sucidal bombings...

J

they are uncivilized, it's that simple.

they don't even act like humans, more like primates who don't know how to control their temper.

i mean come on, some of those drawings were funny......stop, stop, we ran out of virgins....that's comedic gold

imported_Bruce Fee

you should specify who "they" are before you get accused of something you don't want to be associated with.

I'm assuming you mean closed minded fundamentalists with are intolerant and unaccepting of anything other than their primitive beliefs.

any woman who supports it should give up her drivers license, cause in places like Saudi Arabia, where this is the belief many have, women are not allowed to drive, nor are they allowed to travel with males who they are not married or related to.

Their sexist views should alienate 50% of north american society right there.. the ladies.. (some guys might argue that women not driving is a good thing). then take every guy who likes to drink, and have premarital sex without the risk of being stoned to death.. all of you should dislike this group.. what does that leave? sexist men with no flare for life or respect for freedom of thought.

if i lived such a life, i too, would probably strap up some bombs. what the point if that is the case? at least i'll get sexed by virgins in the afterlife.

that confuses me too.. if you're gonna be getting laid in the afterlife.. don't you want someone experienced who knows how to work it? it's not like you have to be scared of getting HIV.. you're already dead!

J

"they" are the idiots going crazy over this cartoon and only insecure people would accuse me of something I don't want to be associated with.

stock94block

That sums it up for me. The cartoons wont work now

imported_alwaysoverkill

“The Mujahedeen have numerous targets in Denmark – very soon you all will regret this,” the website says.

**** off, its a cartoon. Like these groups need "any provocation" to blow up a building or kill people who are not muslim. actually, these groups even kill muslims too.

Terrorists look for any excuse to defend their actions, **** them, if they are tough as they claim, why not take action through war not ********* acts...oh thats right, because they would have their asses handed to them in a war, but through public fear and hidden "holywar warriors" they can get fame.

Their "demands" will never be met, so they need to **** off, get off the meds and quit their bitching and complaining.

civicnation

although i dont condoan the actions of the cartoonist, the muslim reaction to the event is just retarded. I agree there should be outrage but not to the extent that threatening voilence is their main concern at this point. It's mainly the muslim extremist that are threating violence which is what I can make of this situation from the media.

imported_gatherer

Muslims did themselves a disservice when groups of them proclaimed there would be voilence and terrorism because of these cartoons.. these groups are just prclaiming that the cartoons were absolutely correct.

Hilter came to power in Germany by given the germany people an out.. saying the reason for their hardships was the Jews...

I wonder how long it'll be before some sick and twisted leader tries to do that in another country by proclaiming the Muslims are the cause of their problems... this could lead to some very bad things in this world.

electronblue

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I commend the Toronto Muslim community for their response. It is a very proactive, non-violent method of showing displeasure!!

As I said before, it is not fair to paint all Muslim's with the same brush as those who are extremists.

The cartoon was distasteful, but certainly touched upon how others are feeling about the Muslim culture. It's sad that extremists can do this to society.

imported_JookSingKid

Under muslim law it states:

No one shall create an image of Mohammed

The Muslism hold his law sacred

The newpaper defended itself on the grounds of free speech and democracy. A muslim argument back was that this type of democracy is useless since it holds nothing sacred.

Its true, democracy does hold nothing sacred, even in Canada our rights protected by the constitution can be taken away by the notwthstanding clause.

imported_gatherer

at the same time JSK the Notwithstanding clause has limitations on how long it can be implemented for .. if the government were to use it to take away free speech for example.. they could only take away that right for a year before they had to have another vote in the house to continue it or not...

imported_Bruce Fee

freedom of press is important. if you don't like democracy, leave.

i think the danish government can't find extremsists offensive, and just deport everyone associated with it.

end of story.

imported_Mischev

i agree, the muslims around toronto have done what should have done in the 1st place, boycott them, and bruning embassies doesent help, just cut off the oil to europe and they will feel it.

yes there are a lot of extremists running around the middle east but i'm a muslim my self, and i'm not running around shooting jews and burning flags.


i'm not here to defend my religion as i dont not feel qulified to do so


there is a peaceful way to resolve issues AS MANY OF THE ARAB LEADERS HAVE SAID.

there has been many calls by islamic leaders to stop the violence.

i understand arabic, and my dad watches al jazeera at home, and they even sent out a plea for every1 to stop, and resolve it peacfully.

i must admit i was very angry when i saw the cartoons, but even our prophet beleived in forgiveness and its up to us as human beings to try to live with each other in as peacful a manner as possible.

the people on this board can sit infront of the computer and call muslims barbaric based on what they see on CNN, but until u go through what these poeple go thru every day please refrain from insulting them.

i dont agree with what the extemists are doign as it is against out religion to kill the innocent, women and children...but i dont understand their frustration as i'm not living their life, i have it easy here in canada, where i can send my parents to jail, and make money on the internet doign nothing

imported_Mischev

bruce u dont understand the fundamentals of islam, and with all due respect as u seam to be a very intelligent person...until u understnad the facts and basics of islam dont indulge into the more complicated issues

to prove your wrong on one aspect, you DO NOT get stoned to death for premarital sex, you get stoned to death for having sex with someone while you are married (i.e. cheating)

again i dont mean to insult you i was just trying to clear up a misconception.