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14-Feb-2006, 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by ~ILLEST CIV~
Yes i'm stubborn.....but i believe Religion itself is evil and the source of many problems in the world today if not all. . . .
Yes i'm stubborn.....but i believe Religion itself is evil and the source of many problems in the world today if not all. . . .
The root of this issue is ignorance and intolerance... On both sides.
how this comes about is due to the very nature of all religions. Each religion in the world claims to be the right way to understand the gods or god better then all others. This creates ignorance... and intolerance comes about when those same religions say "this is the right way and there is no other way"
I mean if you look at this from a Scientific point of view you see that there are many religions out there all claiming to be the right way... however there is no proof that any one of them is the right way. so you have to conclude they are all made up beliefs.
religions were formed thousands of years ago to explain the things that could not be explained in the world. hell at one point people thought the world was flat and that the sun orbited the earth... we now know thats incorrect. but this was the belief of many religions. typically you'd think as the beliefs of the religion are dispelled peopel would move away from those religions.
15-Feb-2006, 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by LEITNER
religion and God are 2 totally different things. there is nothing wrong with God, there is everything wrong with religion because it is a humanistic approach to God.
religion and God are 2 totally different things. there is nothing wrong with God, there is everything wrong with religion because it is a humanistic approach to God.
15-Feb-2006, 03:53 PM
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I tend to disagree with you two....'The existence and presence of God is a religious belief' in the first place because religion is the only thing that teaches about God.
If you dont believe there is a God, then u definitely dont belong to any religion and if you dont follow any religion, they you definitely believe there is no God.
The two can not be separated from each other.
If you dont believe there is a God, then u definitely dont belong to any religion and if you dont follow any religion, they you definitely believe there is no God.
The two can not be separated from each other.
15-Feb-2006, 04:47 PM
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szuberi, i disagree.
atheism is in many ways a religion.
"The Church of Satan" does not belief in any metaphysical beings (including god and satan) yet they are defined as a religion by not only themselves, but by your government.
organized religion is manmade as humans wrote down all the information. spirituality is only what you feel without defining anything.
let's try to stay on topic, or I'll get my god to beat up your god.
atheism is in many ways a religion.
"The Church of Satan" does not belief in any metaphysical beings (including god and satan) yet they are defined as a religion by not only themselves, but by your government.
organized religion is manmade as humans wrote down all the information. spirituality is only what you feel without defining anything.
let's try to stay on topic, or I'll get my god to beat up your god.
15-Feb-2006, 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by My93Civic
Its funny that when this stuff happens against Christians, no one cares. I even seen these fricking joke cartoon avatars displaying Christ and his crucification. I got offended by it but what can I do?
But when this happens to muslims, all hell breaks loose.
What can I except. islam is getting too much respect.
I wonder why mohammad cannot be potrayed...doesn't seem like any harm to me...someone care to explain?
Its funny that when this stuff happens against Christians, no one cares. I even seen these fricking joke cartoon avatars displaying Christ and his crucification. I got offended by it but what can I do?
But when this happens to muslims, all hell breaks loose.
What can I except. islam is getting too much respect.
I wonder why mohammad cannot be potrayed...doesn't seem like any harm to me...someone care to explain?
however, this would not be this big of a subject if US wasn't in Iraq invading a 90% muslim country...oh well
15-Feb-2006, 08:39 PM
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that cartoon in the link aint the 1 they are pissed about they had a table with all the gods sat at it and they had the muslim guy hohamid or whatever with a fuse in his turban like a suiside bommer going 2 kill all the other gods thats what they are pissed about
so what do they do they get all mad and go suiside bomming they have been like 4 in englind since the pick was reliesed
i think they are stupid so what its a ****ing cartoon all the other gods were there u see anybody else pissed and if u are pissed because u dont like being shown as a suiside bommer why the **** retaliate buy being a suiside bommer wtf u are just re enforceing the think that is being made fun of is the first place !!!!!!
they need 2 chill all ths bul**** and killing over some story and fanticy that there is a god and stuff and there is only there god come on its religun **** it
so what do they do they get all mad and go suiside bomming they have been like 4 in englind since the pick was reliesed
i think they are stupid so what its a ****ing cartoon all the other gods were there u see anybody else pissed and if u are pissed because u dont like being shown as a suiside bommer why the **** retaliate buy being a suiside bommer wtf u are just re enforceing the think that is being made fun of is the first place !!!!!!
they need 2 chill all ths bul**** and killing over some story and fanticy that there is a god and stuff and there is only there god come on its religun **** it
16-Feb-2006, 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by gatherer
I tend to agree...
The root of this issue is ignorance and intolerance... On both sides.
how this comes about is due to the very nature of all religions. Each religion in the world claims to be the right way to understand the gods or god better then all others. This creates ignorance... and intolerance comes about when those same religions say "this is the right way and there is no other way"
I mean if you look at this from a Scientific point of view you see that there are many religions out there all claiming to be the right way... however there is no proof that any one of them is the right way. so you have to conclude they are all made up beliefs.
religions were formed thousands of years ago to explain the things that could not be explained in the world. hell at one point people thought the world was flat and that the sun orbited the earth... we now know thats incorrect. but this was the belief of many religions. typically you'd think as the beliefs of the religion are dispelled peopel would move away from those religions.
I tend to agree...
The root of this issue is ignorance and intolerance... On both sides.
how this comes about is due to the very nature of all religions. Each religion in the world claims to be the right way to understand the gods or god better then all others. This creates ignorance... and intolerance comes about when those same religions say "this is the right way and there is no other way"
I mean if you look at this from a Scientific point of view you see that there are many religions out there all claiming to be the right way... however there is no proof that any one of them is the right way. so you have to conclude they are all made up beliefs.
religions were formed thousands of years ago to explain the things that could not be explained in the world. hell at one point people thought the world was flat and that the sun orbited the earth... we now know thats incorrect. but this was the belief of many religions. typically you'd think as the beliefs of the religion are dispelled peopel would move away from those religions.
the root of all evil is not religion, its the mis-use of religion for evil purposes and the real answer is that which you do not see, satan himself conquering over these people.
please dont tell me Christianity has made me evil.
btw: Saying one worldview is the only way has its place in the world. I cannot have the conscience within myself knowing that others are following the wrong and not telling them about it. That wouldn't be right and wouldn't be love.
Christianity is the ONLY true word of God. It's God speaking to man, His creation, through His only son Jesus Christ. The evidence is all in the book and aboard, whether it be arcology finds (sp?) and whatever.
Compare all religions holy books and you will see that Christianity has indeed that one true "Holy" book.
All other religions books are falisfied and can be refuted. Not only are the information incorrect, it can be proven wrong to which you are referring to, science if you deem science as the ultimate answer.
They are worshipping the wrong god, a god among many thousands of pagan gods, but Jesus is the only way to the correct, true God, Yoweh. There is no other way, as it is stated in the Bible.
But Christians are called out to love our enemies as ourselves.
Edit: BTW: I agree with you, at the end of the day the problem is...
The root of this issue is ignorance and intolerance... On both sides.
16-Feb-2006, 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Brett
I was refering to Genesis and Exodus. Well, i found the books difficult to read and exceedingly boring. Overall I wasn't to impressed. Many of the things said in there could be taken as a good morals to live by, but other things were way out in left field. I would assume this is because the books were written a couple of thousand years ago. One day i hope to read the rest of the book...
I was refering to Genesis and Exodus. Well, i found the books difficult to read and exceedingly boring. Overall I wasn't to impressed. Many of the things said in there could be taken as a good morals to live by, but other things were way out in left field. I would assume this is because the books were written a couple of thousand years ago. One day i hope to read the rest of the book...
Don't read the Bible as it in the context of the 21st century. That is why it is so complex. It calls us to know everything, the context, historical background, why some things were permitted or not back then, the location, about that location, etc.
However with that said, there are many things we could relate to and use in the Bible, such as the 10 commandments, etc. And you will be surprised to how many things are the same then, are too now. We relate to the events in the Bible, the characteristics of people (good and bad) and we acknowlege such things as sin.
You should try to follow those basic rules, just dont kill yourself and follow them 100% because you're just setting youself up for failure.
And make sure you read the correct version of the Bible. I would suggest reading something like the NIV, having the same essence of the original text but still easy to read and to understand. Refrain from Bibles modified from groups such as cults, Mormons, etc.
Those are changed and they will be punished for doing so, as in the originial Bible scroll, it says whoever takes anything out of the Bible, or changes it (messing it up to suite their evil desires) will be judged.
But at the end of the day, Brett, I hope you get to read the Bible some more. I suggest you reading the book of Romans in the new testament. I find it easier to read and explians a lot of stuff and in detail. Edit: It is only 16 chapters so it wont take a year to read.
If you need any other information or have questions, feel free to PM me Brett.
BTW: The things I have said could seem to be rude and bad, but are the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts.
16-Feb-2006, 08:31 PM
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2.1 billion Christians in the world....You know how many times I've seen on t.v or in picture, people making fun of Jesus?? plz. This muslim thing...is...rediculous. I mean like, If 2.1 billion people can keep there cool...
@Leitner: Thats sort of correct....I mean, they all believe in the higher power, or greatest concieved being A.K.A God...but I think the belief in them is a bit different.
@Leitner: Thats sort of correct....I mean, they all believe in the higher power, or greatest concieved being A.K.A God...but I think the belief in them is a bit different.
16-Feb-2006, 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Italia311
2.1 billion Christians in the world....You know how many times I've seen on t.v or in picture, people making fun of Jesus?? plz. This muslim thing...is...rediculous. I mean like, If 2.1 billion people can keep there cool...
@Leitner: Thats sort of correct....I mean, they all believe in the higher power, or greatest concieved being A.K.A God...but I think the belief in them is a bit different.
2.1 billion Christians in the world....You know how many times I've seen on t.v or in picture, people making fun of Jesus?? plz. This muslim thing...is...rediculous. I mean like, If 2.1 billion people can keep there cool...
@Leitner: Thats sort of correct....I mean, they all believe in the higher power, or greatest concieved being A.K.A God...but I think the belief in them is a bit different.
And I am not happy with all the crap cartoons that are poking fun at Jesus. I REALLY DETEST them.
But I wouldn't go as far as burning places down.
16-Feb-2006, 10:43 PM
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"Science isnt the answer to everything, science is just a bunch of theories of what "man" thinks how the world was made."
Knave, the bible is also physicallyed created by man.
"scientific theory" is not something you get drunk and make up. It's conducted, tested, and reliable. Unlike some "beliefs" people have.
If I am wrong may god strike me down today. I challenge him. I am his superior as I will not let him.
Talk to you guys tomorrow.
The above is not a scientific theory, it's just a belief.
Knave, the bible is also physicallyed created by man.
"scientific theory" is not something you get drunk and make up. It's conducted, tested, and reliable. Unlike some "beliefs" people have.
If I am wrong may god strike me down today. I challenge him. I am his superior as I will not let him.
Talk to you guys tomorrow.
The above is not a scientific theory, it's just a belief.
16-Feb-2006, 10:44 PM
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You really took some long time to say all that. It seems to me like a school or a church lesson. While you and many other christians believe that christianity is the only true religion....there are lots of ppl of other faith that believe in their religion in the same way you do.
The lack of protest on part of the christians when somebody pokes fun at Jesus does not mean that all christians are ultra cool people. It simply means that most of them have been raised with the belief that the church and state are separate from each other and if you protest out in the street with a show of force, it will be against the law. Its the local law of hte land that prevents them. At the same time, any disrespect being poked at Jesus will go unabated in the name of freedome of press and speech.
In the muslim world, there isnt any separation b/w the two so muslims protested this way and i dont blame any one of them. There hasnt been a single material statement renouncing these cartoons from either Denmark or specially the world police dog..the US which has further fueled the situation.
Democracy is fine but there are limits. There is a limit to everything...the west has been feeding on the oil from the muslim states for a long time and its high time that they should start respecting their religion and their ppl.
I do regret the violence but you see...peaceful protest will not go too far. Its like i come and start cursing you in front of your family and friends and expect you to stay shut up. No....you have all the right to come and smack me down.
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You really took some long time to say all that. It seems to me like a school or a church lesson. While you and many other christians believe that christianity is the only true religion....there are lots of ppl of other faith that believe in their religion in the same way you do.
The lack of protest on part of the christians when somebody pokes fun at Jesus does not mean that all christians are ultra cool people. It simply means that most of them have been raised with the belief that the church and state are separate from each other and if you protest out in the street with a show of force, it will be against the law. Its the local law of hte land that prevents them. At the same time, any disrespect being poked at Jesus will go unabated in the name of freedome of press and speech.
In the muslim world, there isnt any separation b/w the two so muslims protested this way and i dont blame any one of them. There hasnt been a single material statement renouncing these cartoons from either Denmark or specially the world police dog..the US which has further fueled the situation.
Democracy is fine but there are limits. There is a limit to everything...the west has been feeding on the oil from the muslim states for a long time and its high time that they should start respecting their religion and their ppl.
I do regret the violence but you see...peaceful protest will not go too far. Its like i come and start cursing you in front of your family and friends and expect you to stay shut up. No....you have all the right to come and smack me down.
Peace
16-Feb-2006, 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by My93Civic
Science isnt the answer to everything, science is just a bunch of theories of what "man" thinks how the world was made. Thats a part of it, I am not saying that that is everything to do with science. Science cannot even prove its own existance. We have all these big bang theories all because of "chance" or it just happened. Just no.
the root of all evil is not religion, its the mis-use of religion for evil purposes and the real answer is that which you do not see, satan himself conquering over these people.
please dont tell me Christianity has made me evil.
btw: Saying one worldview is the only way has its place in the world. I cannot have the conscience within myself knowing that others are following the wrong and not telling them about it. That wouldn't be right and wouldn't be love.
Christianity is the ONLY true word of God. It's God speaking to man, His creation, through His only son Jesus Christ. The evidence is all in the book and aboard, whether it be arcology finds (sp?) and whatever.
Compare all religions holy books and you will see that Christianity has indeed that one true "Holy" book.
All other religions books are falisfied and can be refuted. Not only are the information incorrect, it can be proven wrong to which you are referring to, science if you deem science as the ultimate answer.
They are worshipping the wrong god, a god among many thousands of pagan gods, but Jesus is the only way to the correct, true God, Yoweh. There is no other way, as it is stated in the Bible.
But Christians are called out to love our enemies as ourselves.
Edit: BTW: I agree with you, at the end of the day the problem is...
The root of this issue is ignorance and intolerance... On both sides.
Science isnt the answer to everything, science is just a bunch of theories of what "man" thinks how the world was made. Thats a part of it, I am not saying that that is everything to do with science. Science cannot even prove its own existance. We have all these big bang theories all because of "chance" or it just happened. Just no.
the root of all evil is not religion, its the mis-use of religion for evil purposes and the real answer is that which you do not see, satan himself conquering over these people.
please dont tell me Christianity has made me evil.
btw: Saying one worldview is the only way has its place in the world. I cannot have the conscience within myself knowing that others are following the wrong and not telling them about it. That wouldn't be right and wouldn't be love.
Christianity is the ONLY true word of God. It's God speaking to man, His creation, through His only son Jesus Christ. The evidence is all in the book and aboard, whether it be arcology finds (sp?) and whatever.
Compare all religions holy books and you will see that Christianity has indeed that one true "Holy" book.
All other religions books are falisfied and can be refuted. Not only are the information incorrect, it can be proven wrong to which you are referring to, science if you deem science as the ultimate answer.
They are worshipping the wrong god, a god among many thousands of pagan gods, but Jesus is the only way to the correct, true God, Yoweh. There is no other way, as it is stated in the Bible.
But Christians are called out to love our enemies as ourselves.
Edit: BTW: I agree with you, at the end of the day the problem is...
The root of this issue is ignorance and intolerance... On both sides.
