Drive clean = scam !
#1
Drive clean = scam !
What makes an 87 or 86 vehicle not have to take an e-test, instead 88-89 vehicles do ?
Drive Clean’s recent decision to end its rolling age-based exemption for light-duty vehicles from emissions testing requirements only affects 1988 and newer models. They will stay in the Drive Clean program, no matter how old they are.
If your car is a 1987 or earlier model, it leaves the program permanently when it is 20 years old.
Cars currently registered as “historic” vehicles continue to be exempt from Drive Clean test requirements because of their age. An exemption will be recommended for vehicles of the 1988 and newer model years from all test requirements when they reach 30 years of age, if they receive designation as historic vehicles under the Highway Traffic Act.
Light-duty vehicles have been exempt from emissions testing when they were 20 years old, both for registration renewal and ownership transfer. A 1986 vehicle had its last emissions test in 2005 and a 1987 will have its last test in 2006.
1988 vehicles -- which require emissions tests in 2007 -- will need to be tested again in 2009 and every two years after that for registration renewal. Similarly, 1989 models will require testing in 2008 and every two years after that. As well, the requirement for a valid Drive Clean pass for ownership transfer will continue to apply to 1988 and newer models.
Hybrid vehicles continue to be exempt from all emissions tests.
Drive Clean has also sought public comment on a proposal that annual emissions tests be required beginning when a light duty vehicle is 12 years old for 1988 and newer models. No tests would be required for 1987 and older vehicles. However, no decision has been made on this proposal.
This is such a scam.
If that's the case, your gonna see alotta 88-95 Honda's taken off the roads, cuz they fail e-tests miserably.
Drive Clean’s recent decision to end its rolling age-based exemption for light-duty vehicles from emissions testing requirements only affects 1988 and newer models. They will stay in the Drive Clean program, no matter how old they are.
If your car is a 1987 or earlier model, it leaves the program permanently when it is 20 years old.
Cars currently registered as “historic” vehicles continue to be exempt from Drive Clean test requirements because of their age. An exemption will be recommended for vehicles of the 1988 and newer model years from all test requirements when they reach 30 years of age, if they receive designation as historic vehicles under the Highway Traffic Act.
Light-duty vehicles have been exempt from emissions testing when they were 20 years old, both for registration renewal and ownership transfer. A 1986 vehicle had its last emissions test in 2005 and a 1987 will have its last test in 2006.
1988 vehicles -- which require emissions tests in 2007 -- will need to be tested again in 2009 and every two years after that for registration renewal. Similarly, 1989 models will require testing in 2008 and every two years after that. As well, the requirement for a valid Drive Clean pass for ownership transfer will continue to apply to 1988 and newer models.
Hybrid vehicles continue to be exempt from all emissions tests.
Drive Clean has also sought public comment on a proposal that annual emissions tests be required beginning when a light duty vehicle is 12 years old for 1988 and newer models. No tests would be required for 1987 and older vehicles. However, no decision has been made on this proposal.
This is such a scam.
If that's the case, your gonna see alotta 88-95 Honda's taken off the roads, cuz they fail e-tests miserably.
#4
if you don't like it you have a few options.
1) don't own a car. yes I know how impractical this would be but it is an option.
2) in the next election vote for the cadidate from your area most commited to getting rid of the program.
3) in the next election run for office in your area on the platform of geting rid of the program
I'm in favour of the program. it keeps cars from becoming worse and worse polluters over their life time. at the same time I think the program has flaws like the one Bruce pointed out and the fact that buses and trucks are not tested.
1) don't own a car. yes I know how impractical this would be but it is an option.
2) in the next election vote for the cadidate from your area most commited to getting rid of the program.
3) in the next election run for office in your area on the platform of geting rid of the program
I'm in favour of the program. it keeps cars from becoming worse and worse polluters over their life time. at the same time I think the program has flaws like the one Bruce pointed out and the fact that buses and trucks are not tested.
#5
Here is what i dont like...this was on my turbo coupe last week.
Car sat in the garage from wednesday to friday, wasnt driven, wasnt worked on and I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ON MY CAR, INCLUDING ADDING MORE GAS IN MY TANK. Here are the numbers for both curb idle....
First test done at fleetwood auto on wednesday
Curb idle
HC limit 200......reading 183
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.82
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
2nd test done today at centenial chrysler on friday
HC limit 200......reading 45
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.01
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
Now that is a scam. BTW i failed bad on the driving on the rollers on the 1st try....no problems the next.
Car sat in the garage from wednesday to friday, wasnt driven, wasnt worked on and I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ON MY CAR, INCLUDING ADDING MORE GAS IN MY TANK. Here are the numbers for both curb idle....
First test done at fleetwood auto on wednesday
Curb idle
HC limit 200......reading 183
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.82
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
2nd test done today at centenial chrysler on friday
HC limit 200......reading 45
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.01
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
Now that is a scam. BTW i failed bad on the driving on the rollers on the 1st try....no problems the next.
#7
Originally posted by 1EL2NV
I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE OPPOSITE WAY BECAUSE THE OLDER VEHICLES ARE WHAT CAUSE THE MOST POLLUTION
1987 AND UNDER SHOULD BE TESTED AND 1988 AND NEWER SHOULDN'T BE TESTED
I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE OPPOSITE WAY BECAUSE THE OLDER VEHICLES ARE WHAT CAUSE THE MOST POLLUTION
1987 AND UNDER SHOULD BE TESTED AND 1988 AND NEWER SHOULDN'T BE TESTED
#9
Originally posted by Cynikal.Mindset
if your sticker is only good for 6months you only pay for 6months...and who gets e-tests anyways?
if your sticker is only good for 6months you only pay for 6months...and who gets e-tests anyways?
#11
Originally posted by Cee_mon
Here is what i dont like...this was on my turbo coupe last week.
Car sat in the garage from wednesday to friday, wasnt driven, wasnt worked on and I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ON MY CAR, INCLUDING ADDING MORE GAS IN MY TANK. Here are the numbers for both curb idle....
First test done at fleetwood auto on wednesday
Curb idle
HC limit 200......reading 183
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.82
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
2nd test done today at centenial chrysler on friday
HC limit 200......reading 45
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.01
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
Now that is a scam. BTW i failed bad on the driving on the rollers on the 1st try....no problems the next.
Here is what i dont like...this was on my turbo coupe last week.
Car sat in the garage from wednesday to friday, wasnt driven, wasnt worked on and I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ON MY CAR, INCLUDING ADDING MORE GAS IN MY TANK. Here are the numbers for both curb idle....
First test done at fleetwood auto on wednesday
Curb idle
HC limit 200......reading 183
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.82
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
2nd test done today at centenial chrysler on friday
HC limit 200......reading 45
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.01
NO limit N/A......reading N/A
Now that is a scam. BTW i failed bad on the driving on the rollers on the 1st try....no problems the next.
#12
just keep your car running good and you won't have a problem....I'd rather have people who are unwilling to maintain their cars be taken off the road then drive around and pollute the environment....
you have to put a cut off age somewhere, and they chose 88, I'm sure the government didn't think hondas when they made this law
you have to put a cut off age somewhere, and they chose 88, I'm sure the government didn't think hondas when they made this law
#14
When i use to do the testing, we were lucky to see one failure a month.We'd have cars coming it rusted so bad they shouldn't be on the road...yet they'd pass the test like they were new. My opinion, get rid of e test and do safty test every 2 years, theres more unsafe cars on the road then there is poluting ones
#16
I agree the safety check every two years instead of emissions would be better for all road drivers. If the government really did e-testing because they cared about the environment then they should fine people who fail the e-test and give a tax break\free e-test if you pass.
#17
Personally, I think a drive clean program is required, but having that cutoff is just plain stupid... old cars generally pollute more than new cars.... I like the whole clean energy stuff and what not, but if I had a car that wasn't going to be tested cuz it's historic, I'd probably try to get more power out of it, regardless of what it puts out at the back...
Edit: That last comment was just a comment, not that I would do that.... of course :P
Edit: That last comment was just a comment, not that I would do that.... of course :P
#18
Originally posted by Huacha
Personally, I think a drive clean program is required, but having that cutoff is just plain stupid... old cars generally pollute more than new cars.... I like the whole clean energy stuff and what not, but if I had a car that wasn't going to be tested cuz it's historic, I'd probably try to get more power out of it, regardless of what it puts out at the back...
Edit: That last comment was just a comment, not that I would do that.... of course :P
Personally, I think a drive clean program is required, but having that cutoff is just plain stupid... old cars generally pollute more than new cars.... I like the whole clean energy stuff and what not, but if I had a car that wasn't going to be tested cuz it's historic, I'd probably try to get more power out of it, regardless of what it puts out at the back...
Edit: That last comment was just a comment, not that I would do that.... of course :P
#19
Originally posted by Draggintoy
When i use to do the testing, we were lucky to see one failure a month.We'd have cars coming it rusted so bad they shouldn't be on the road...yet they'd pass the test like they were new. My opinion, get rid of e test and do safty test every 2 years, theres more unsafe cars on the road then there is poluting ones
When i use to do the testing, we were lucky to see one failure a month.We'd have cars coming it rusted so bad they shouldn't be on the road...yet they'd pass the test like they were new. My opinion, get rid of e test and do safty test every 2 years, theres more unsafe cars on the road then there is poluting ones