bbor-imported

What makes an 87 or 86 vehicle not have to take an e-test, instead 88-89 vehicles do ?

Drive Clean’s recent decision to end its rolling age-based exemption for light-duty vehicles from emissions testing requirements only affects 1988 and newer models. They will stay in the Drive Clean program, no matter how old they are.

If your car is a 1987 or earlier model, it leaves the program permanently when it is 20 years old.

Cars currently registered as “historic” vehicles continue to be exempt from Drive Clean test requirements because of their age. An exemption will be recommended for vehicles of the 1988 and newer model years from all test requirements when they reach 30 years of age, if they receive designation as historic vehicles under the Highway Traffic Act.

Light-duty vehicles have been exempt from emissions testing when they were 20 years old, both for registration renewal and ownership transfer. A 1986 vehicle had its last emissions test in 2005 and a 1987 will have its last test in 2006.

1988 vehicles -- which require emissions tests in 2007 -- will need to be tested again in 2009 and every two years after that for registration renewal. Similarly, 1989 models will require testing in 2008 and every two years after that. As well, the requirement for a valid Drive Clean pass for ownership transfer will continue to apply to 1988 and newer models.

Hybrid vehicles continue to be exempt from all emissions tests.

Drive Clean has also sought public comment on a proposal that annual emissions tests be required beginning when a light duty vehicle is 12 years old for 1988 and newer models. No tests would be required for 1987 and older vehicles. However, no decision has been made on this proposal.


This is such a scam.
If that's the case, your gonna see alotta 88-95 Honda's taken off the roads, cuz they fail e-tests miserably.

imported_Zyepher

You will just see more people pay $100 for a etest.

imported_Bruce Fee

i think it is stupid that car class matters so much.

if i buy a 4 banger or a v8, i should still be forced to have the same max output of poison into the atmosphere...

imported_gatherer

if you don't like it you have a few options.

1) don't own a car. yes I know how impractical this would be but it is an option.

2) in the next election vote for the cadidate from your area most commited to getting rid of the program.

3) in the next election run for office in your area on the platform of geting rid of the program

I'm in favour of the program. it keeps cars from becoming worse and worse polluters over their life time. at the same time I think the program has flaws like the one Bruce pointed out and the fact that buses and trucks are not tested.

cee_mon

Here is what i dont like...this was on my turbo coupe last week.

Car sat in the garage from wednesday to friday, wasnt driven, wasnt worked on and I DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ON MY CAR, INCLUDING ADDING MORE GAS IN MY TANK. Here are the numbers for both curb idle....

First test done at fleetwood auto on wednesday
Curb idle
HC limit 200......reading 183
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.82
NO limit N/A......reading N/A

2nd test done today at centenial chrysler on friday
HC limit 200......reading 45
CO limit 1.00.....reading 0.01
NO limit N/A......reading N/A

Now that is a scam. BTW i failed bad on the driving on the rollers on the 1st try....no problems the next.

1EL2NV

I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE OPPOSITE WAY BECAUSE THE OLDER VEHICLES ARE WHAT CAUSE THE MOST POLLUTION

1987 AND UNDER SHOULD BE TESTED AND 1988 AND NEWER SHOULDN'T BE TESTED

imported_JoonyaSI

when i renewed my plates in june .. the woman is like oh do you have your drive clean .. im like uhhh from when i bought it yea .. she goes oh .. well u need to redo it in december .. new regulations .. i go WTF so im only gettin my sticker for 6 months !! but some how im still paying the same renewal fee ?? damnnn . the guvnt is for sure good at rippin us off .. but hey .. what u gonna do .. take the bus ? PFFFT right

Cynikal.Mindset

if your sticker is only good for 6months you only pay for 6months...and who gets e-tests anyways?

imported_JoonyaSI

nah man im like 100% sure i paid for a full sticker renewal in june/july and it expires DEC 06

Cynikal.Mindset

then u are an idiot dude hahaha...there is now way you woulda paid 74bucks for 6 months of a sticker

imported_Draggintoy

I've seen this alot of times.The first readings look like the cat wasn't hot.The car should be brought up too 2000rpms for about 3 mins before the test is run. But this is how some shops are getting the $$$ to fix it, charge ya the max limit then warm up the car and restest and it passes.

imported_viper_2_4

just keep your car running good and you won't have a problem....I'd rather have people who are unwilling to maintain their cars be taken off the road then drive around and pollute the environment....

you have to put a cut off age somewhere, and they chose 88, I'm sure the government didn't think hondas when they made this law

Cynikal.Mindset

if u cant keep a 4th gen and newer civic running clean you have issues anyways

imported_Draggintoy

When i use to do the testing, we were lucky to see one failure a month.We'd have cars coming it rusted so bad they shouldn't be on the road...yet they'd pass the test like they were new. My opinion, get rid of e test and do safty test every 2 years, theres more unsafe cars on the road then there is poluting ones

Cynikal.Mindset

or just be like michigan and do without safety and e-test

imported_Moe_Mentum

I agree the safety check every two years instead of emissions would be better for all road drivers. If the government really did e-testing because they cared about the environment then they should fine people who fail the e-test and give a tax break\free e-test if you pass.

imported_Huacha

Personally, I think a drive clean program is required, but having that cutoff is just plain stupid... old cars generally pollute more than new cars.... I like the whole clean energy stuff and what not, but if I had a car that wasn't going to be tested cuz it's historic, I'd probably try to get more power out of it, regardless of what it puts out at the back...

Edit: That last comment was just a comment, not that I would do that.... of course :P

imported_viper_2_4

ya but how many peopel do that?...these programs are designed to work for the general public, the small percentage that do "hot rodding" don't really play a huge factor...

Nova_Dust

I agree.

imported_Cablerat

20 year old rule is being eliminated...

Oh and all cars 94 and older have to do it every year.

This is there way of saying if you **** box ain running right, buy a new one or fix it.