Dual Citizenship
30-Jul-2006 | 02:24 AM
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Dual Citizenship
Just wondering if anyone here has a dual citizenship, if so with what country, and when you travel which do you bring? Does anyone have any stories about trouble they have encountered with dual citizenship?
I just got dual citizenship. So now I have Canadian and Italian.
I just got dual citizenship. So now I have Canadian and Italian.
30-Jul-2006 | 10:00 AM
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not sure what you people have read, but technically there is no such thing as 'dual citzenship'. If you say you have this at a border crossing, prepare to get searched or at least asked a dozen more questions.
When you are entering a country, its ALWAYS BEST to tell them you are from that country (if you have citizenship, eg USA) than to say you have dual. If you are Canadian/American, tell them only ONE, not both.
The fact is that no country will call it dual citizenship. They either allow you to keep citizenship from other countries (ie, Canada and the USA), but don't acknowledge the 'other'.
My wife was given the third degree when we crossed the first few times after she got her full Canadian citizenship. She'd say 'Dual, Canadian-American' and the border guards would say 'NO you are either Canadian OR American'. From then on, she just says she is Canadian
Not sure how common this sort of hassle is, but its something to keep in mind when crossing into other countries.
DJM:>
When you are entering a country, its ALWAYS BEST to tell them you are from that country (if you have citizenship, eg USA) than to say you have dual. If you are Canadian/American, tell them only ONE, not both.
The fact is that no country will call it dual citizenship. They either allow you to keep citizenship from other countries (ie, Canada and the USA), but don't acknowledge the 'other'.
My wife was given the third degree when we crossed the first few times after she got her full Canadian citizenship. She'd say 'Dual, Canadian-American' and the border guards would say 'NO you are either Canadian OR American'. From then on, she just says she is Canadian
Not sure how common this sort of hassle is, but its something to keep in mind when crossing into other countries.DJM:>
30-Jul-2006 | 10:47 AM
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this is a really good point...i find it rather strange that everyone who comes to this country as an immigrant is privileged to also come and go as they please...
as much as I disagree with the recent Israeli cause, I also wonder...Why are there so many Canadians in Lebanon?... to me it would seem that most of them aren't even Canadians at all. They are Lebanese people who enjoy our health-care and other services when it it convenient and hide income, from Lebanon. Why are we even trying to save free-loaders like this?
I personally don't bop back and forth to my native country.
Myself I am an immigrant, but I am ashamed at the way many people take advantage of Canada.
Canada: the global doormat of refugees and immigrants!
as much as I disagree with the recent Israeli cause, I also wonder...Why are there so many Canadians in Lebanon?... to me it would seem that most of them aren't even Canadians at all. They are Lebanese people who enjoy our health-care and other services when it it convenient and hide income, from Lebanon. Why are we even trying to save free-loaders like this?
I personally don't bop back and forth to my native country.
Myself I am an immigrant, but I am ashamed at the way many people take advantage of Canada.
Canada: the global doormat of refugees and immigrants!
30-Jul-2006 | 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by nrg3k
not sure what you people have read, but technically there is no such thing as 'dual citzenship'. If you say you have this at a border crossing, prepare to get searched or at least asked a dozen more questions.
When you are entering a country, its ALWAYS BEST to tell them you are from that country (if you have citizenship, eg USA) than to say you have dual. If you are Canadian/American, tell them only ONE, not both.
The fact is that no country will call it dual citizenship. They either allow you to keep citizenship from other countries (ie, Canada and the USA), but don't acknowledge the 'other'.
My wife was given the third degree when we crossed the first few times after she got her full Canadian citizenship. She'd say 'Dual, Canadian-American' and the border guards would say 'NO you are either Canadian OR American'. From then on, she just says she is Canadian Not sure how common this sort of hassle is, but its something to keep in mind when crossing into other countries.
DJM:>
not sure what you people have read, but technically there is no such thing as 'dual citzenship'. If you say you have this at a border crossing, prepare to get searched or at least asked a dozen more questions.
When you are entering a country, its ALWAYS BEST to tell them you are from that country (if you have citizenship, eg USA) than to say you have dual. If you are Canadian/American, tell them only ONE, not both.
The fact is that no country will call it dual citizenship. They either allow you to keep citizenship from other countries (ie, Canada and the USA), but don't acknowledge the 'other'.
My wife was given the third degree when we crossed the first few times after she got her full Canadian citizenship. She'd say 'Dual, Canadian-American' and the border guards would say 'NO you are either Canadian OR American'. From then on, she just says she is Canadian
Not sure how common this sort of hassle is, but its something to keep in mind when crossing into other countries.DJM:>
"Canadian citizens may have dual nationality through birth, decent, marriage or nateuralization."
30-Jul-2006 | 01:45 PM
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I only ask this question because I have heard you should only travel with ONE. If you are going on vacation travel with your Canadian passport.
I only applied for dual citizenship, because I want to move back to Italy one day. Probably for 5-10 years, then might come back here. I was born here so my parents and relatives are here.
I only applied for dual citizenship, because I want to move back to Italy one day. Probably for 5-10 years, then might come back here. I was born here so my parents and relatives are here.
30-Jul-2006 | 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by E_Jak
this is a really good point...i find it rather strange that everyone who comes to this country as an immigrant is privileged to also come and go as they please...
as much as I disagree with the recent Israeli cause, I also wonder...Why are there so many Canadians in Lebanon?... to me it would seem that most of them aren't even Canadians at all. They are Lebanese people who enjoy our health-care and other services when it it convenient and hide income, from Lebanon. Why are we even trying to save free-loaders like this?
I personally don't bop back and forth to my native country.
Myself I am an immigrant, but I am ashamed at the way many people take advantage of Canada.
Canada: the global doormat of refugees and immigrants!
this is a really good point...i find it rather strange that everyone who comes to this country as an immigrant is privileged to also come and go as they please...
as much as I disagree with the recent Israeli cause, I also wonder...Why are there so many Canadians in Lebanon?... to me it would seem that most of them aren't even Canadians at all. They are Lebanese people who enjoy our health-care and other services when it it convenient and hide income, from Lebanon. Why are we even trying to save free-loaders like this?
I personally don't bop back and forth to my native country.
Myself I am an immigrant, but I am ashamed at the way many people take advantage of Canada.
Canada: the global doormat of refugees and immigrants!
30-Jul-2006 | 08:21 PM
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I'm eligible for dual (Canadian and British) but I haven't applied for the British one because I won't really need it unless I need to work in the EU or something.
Only thing is, the Canadian one expires every 5 years and the British one every ten years, so if I get really lazy I'll just get and keep up the British one so I don't have to renew as often, lol.
Only thing is, the Canadian one expires every 5 years and the British one every ten years, so if I get really lazy I'll just get and keep up the British one so I don't have to renew as often, lol.
30-Jul-2006 | 09:20 PM
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Canada and El Salvador (which is worthless but my parents got it for me even though I was born here (Toronto).
So ya I'm Canadian, pointless to say El Salvador as the passport is worthless. I'm proud to be a Canadian and am glad I was born here.
So ya I'm Canadian, pointless to say El Salvador as the passport is worthless. I'm proud to be a Canadian and am glad I was born here.
31-Jul-2006 | 01:10 AM
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THis Post is in completely dis-regard to the current world affairs ... please do not read into it.
I think the very concept of Citizenship is being eroded by this dual citizenship bull**** and thats exactly what it is bull****. I read an article in the paper today talking about the degradation of the meaning of citizenship.
Citizenship says you belong to this country (or that country as the case may be) it says you are engaged in active discussion on Policy, Foreign affairs, internal affiars, politics and everything else that affects that country. It says you believe in the exsistance of that country and are loyal to it.
Many people, too many people think Citizenship starts and ends with the 85 dollars paid for a passport. but that is far fromt he case. Citizenship starts when you are born into that country or take the citizenship exams and pledge an oath to that country. but it doesn't end there far from it. Citizenship in a country entitles you to the rights bestow by a country onto it's citizens while you are in that country. Sometimes those rights extend to you while you out of that country and some rights do not. Citizens are the people that call the country of their citizenship home, even if living aboard for work.When you ask a Brasilian-Canadian or a Italian Canadian or a Lebonese Canadian or an American Canadian what they are. most will respond with the first name of those types (I'm using them as an example all other groups can be included in that list) and they won't call themselves Canadian. Sure a Select few will stand up and proudly say "I am Canadian" And those are the people we want to embrace as fellow citizens. Not the people that call themselves something else.
I strongly disagree with Dual citizenship and the degradation that causes to the national pride of this Nation. Sure This nation has been founded on the backs of Foriegners and Immigrants, but it is those same immigrants that when they came here and created Canada started to call themselves "Canadian" Sure back they they still had Canadian -Scottish and Canadian-Irish and the Canadian English and Canadian-French but it was always Canada first. I'm not saying someone coming here should have to give up their identity, far from it, they should keep it and embrace it as part of the multiculturalism that makes this country great. But when they come here and become citizens of this Country they should give up their rights to thier Former homeland and start to call Canada home. I'm not saying don't go back to work or visit, but if Canada is home, then Call it home. Becoming a citizen is an act where you declare where home now is. Dual Citizenship is like a crutch, peopel come here long enough to become a citizen and then go back home, never engaging in the life of a citizen of this country, and only screaming they are a citizen of this country when trouble starts in the country they are living.
Citizenship should not be a convience item. It is hard work to be a citizen and it should be recognized by not recognizing dual citizenship.
I think the very concept of Citizenship is being eroded by this dual citizenship bull**** and thats exactly what it is bull****. I read an article in the paper today talking about the degradation of the meaning of citizenship.
Citizenship says you belong to this country (or that country as the case may be) it says you are engaged in active discussion on Policy, Foreign affairs, internal affiars, politics and everything else that affects that country. It says you believe in the exsistance of that country and are loyal to it.
Many people, too many people think Citizenship starts and ends with the 85 dollars paid for a passport. but that is far fromt he case. Citizenship starts when you are born into that country or take the citizenship exams and pledge an oath to that country. but it doesn't end there far from it. Citizenship in a country entitles you to the rights bestow by a country onto it's citizens while you are in that country. Sometimes those rights extend to you while you out of that country and some rights do not. Citizens are the people that call the country of their citizenship home, even if living aboard for work.When you ask a Brasilian-Canadian or a Italian Canadian or a Lebonese Canadian or an American Canadian what they are. most will respond with the first name of those types (I'm using them as an example all other groups can be included in that list) and they won't call themselves Canadian. Sure a Select few will stand up and proudly say "I am Canadian" And those are the people we want to embrace as fellow citizens. Not the people that call themselves something else.
I strongly disagree with Dual citizenship and the degradation that causes to the national pride of this Nation. Sure This nation has been founded on the backs of Foriegners and Immigrants, but it is those same immigrants that when they came here and created Canada started to call themselves "Canadian" Sure back they they still had Canadian -Scottish and Canadian-Irish and the Canadian English and Canadian-French but it was always Canada first. I'm not saying someone coming here should have to give up their identity, far from it, they should keep it and embrace it as part of the multiculturalism that makes this country great. But when they come here and become citizens of this Country they should give up their rights to thier Former homeland and start to call Canada home. I'm not saying don't go back to work or visit, but if Canada is home, then Call it home. Becoming a citizen is an act where you declare where home now is. Dual Citizenship is like a crutch, peopel come here long enough to become a citizen and then go back home, never engaging in the life of a citizen of this country, and only screaming they are a citizen of this country when trouble starts in the country they are living.
Citizenship should not be a convience item. It is hard work to be a citizen and it should be recognized by not recognizing dual citizenship.
31-Jul-2006 | 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by gatherer
THis Post is in completely dis-regard to the current world affairs ... please do not read into it.
I think the very concept of Citizenship is being eroded by this dual citizenship bull**** and thats exactly what it is bull****. I read an article in the paper today talking about the degradation of the meaning of citizenship.
Citizenship says you belong to this country (or that country as the case may be) it says you are engaged in active discussion on Policy, Foreign affairs, internal affiars, politics and everything else that affects that country. It says you believe in the exsistance of that country and are loyal to it.
Many people, too many people think Citizenship starts and ends with the 85 dollars paid for a passport. but that is far fromt he case. Citizenship starts when you are born into that country or take the citizenship exams and pledge an oath to that country. but it doesn't end there far from it. Citizenship in a country entitles you to the rights bestow by a country onto it's citizens while you are in that country. Sometimes those rights extend to you while you out of that country and some rights do not. Citizens are the people that call the country of their citizenship home, even if living aboard for work.When you ask a Brasilian-Canadian or a Italian Canadian or a Lebonese Canadian or an American Canadian what they are. most will respond with the first name of those types (I'm using them as an example all other groups can be included in that list) and they won't call themselves Canadian. Sure a Select few will stand up and proudly say "I am Canadian" And those are the people we want to embrace as fellow citizens. Not the people that call themselves something else.
I strongly disagree with Dual citizenship and the degradation that causes to the national pride of this Nation. Sure This nation has been founded on the backs of Foriegners and Immigrants, but it is those same immigrants that when they came here and created Canada started to call themselves "Canadian" Sure back they they still had Canadian -Scottish and Canadian-Irish and the Canadian English and Canadian-French but it was always Canada first. I'm not saying someone coming here should have to give up their identity, far from it, they should keep it and embrace it as part of the multiculturalism that makes this country great. But when they come here and become citizens of this Country they should give up their rights to thier Former homeland and start to call Canada home. I'm not saying don't go back to work or visit, but if Canada is home, then Call it home. Becoming a citizen is an act where you declare where home now is. Dual Citizenship is like a crutch, peopel come here long enough to become a citizen and then go back home, never engaging in the life of a citizen of this country, and only screaming they are a citizen of this country when trouble starts in the country they are living.
Citizenship should not be a convience item. It is hard work to be a citizen and it should be recognized by not recognizing dual citizenship.
THis Post is in completely dis-regard to the current world affairs ... please do not read into it.
I think the very concept of Citizenship is being eroded by this dual citizenship bull**** and thats exactly what it is bull****. I read an article in the paper today talking about the degradation of the meaning of citizenship.
Citizenship says you belong to this country (or that country as the case may be) it says you are engaged in active discussion on Policy, Foreign affairs, internal affiars, politics and everything else that affects that country. It says you believe in the exsistance of that country and are loyal to it.
Many people, too many people think Citizenship starts and ends with the 85 dollars paid for a passport. but that is far fromt he case. Citizenship starts when you are born into that country or take the citizenship exams and pledge an oath to that country. but it doesn't end there far from it. Citizenship in a country entitles you to the rights bestow by a country onto it's citizens while you are in that country. Sometimes those rights extend to you while you out of that country and some rights do not. Citizens are the people that call the country of their citizenship home, even if living aboard for work.When you ask a Brasilian-Canadian or a Italian Canadian or a Lebonese Canadian or an American Canadian what they are. most will respond with the first name of those types (I'm using them as an example all other groups can be included in that list) and they won't call themselves Canadian. Sure a Select few will stand up and proudly say "I am Canadian" And those are the people we want to embrace as fellow citizens. Not the people that call themselves something else.
I strongly disagree with Dual citizenship and the degradation that causes to the national pride of this Nation. Sure This nation has been founded on the backs of Foriegners and Immigrants, but it is those same immigrants that when they came here and created Canada started to call themselves "Canadian" Sure back they they still had Canadian -Scottish and Canadian-Irish and the Canadian English and Canadian-French but it was always Canada first. I'm not saying someone coming here should have to give up their identity, far from it, they should keep it and embrace it as part of the multiculturalism that makes this country great. But when they come here and become citizens of this Country they should give up their rights to thier Former homeland and start to call Canada home. I'm not saying don't go back to work or visit, but if Canada is home, then Call it home. Becoming a citizen is an act where you declare where home now is. Dual Citizenship is like a crutch, peopel come here long enough to become a citizen and then go back home, never engaging in the life of a citizen of this country, and only screaming they are a citizen of this country when trouble starts in the country they are living.
Citizenship should not be a convience item. It is hard work to be a citizen and it should be recognized by not recognizing dual citizenship.
You should only pick one or the other. Don't want to give up your old citizenship? Apply as a permanent resident.
I think for it to work this way, every country would have to agree.
While their are some instances when it would be good to have a dual citizenship, picking and choosing when its convenient is not right IMO.
I doubt the govt. would abolish dual citizenship but with things as crazy as they are now, you never know.
