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Old 31-Jul-2006 | 08:31 AM
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Old 31-Jul-2006 | 11:12 AM
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Dual Citizenship is like a crutch, peopel come here long enough to become a citizen and then go back home, never engaging in the life of a citizen of this country, and only screaming they are a citizen of this country when trouble starts in the country they are living.
Ain't that the truth.
Old 31-Jul-2006 | 11:50 AM
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steve....good comments but thats just your opinion.

citizenship is not just a passport that you get by paying $85...it is earned by the individual. a typical immigrant works, contributes to the system by paying taxes. if then the person leaves canada and resides abroad..in most cases...he or she does not become a burden on the system anyway cuz they are usually not allowed health care or other benefits..regardless of the fact that they are citizens and carry the passport.

are your comments influenced by the recent situation in lebaonon? if no...great...but if yes...then you are being prejudiced.

If you disagree with the notion of dual citizenship, then you also disagree and disregard the basis on which Canada was founded.

having said that..however...if tommorrow our government disallows dual citizenship...it wont change a thing. cuz most countries in the world will then allow the canadian citizens (who immigrated here) to go and stay in their home countries as permanent residents or with some status anyway.

different people have different situations so we should all accept that. there is no one size fits all when it comes to demographics of the world today.
Old 31-Jul-2006 | 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by szuberi
steve....good comments but thats just your opinion.

citizenship is not just a passport that you get by paying $85...it is earned by the individual. a typical immigrant works, contributes to the system by paying taxes. if then the person leaves canada and resides abroad..in most cases...he or she does not become a burden on the system anyway cuz they are usually not allowed health care or other benefits..regardless of the fact that they are citizens and carry the passport.

are your comments influenced by the recent situation in lebaonon? if no...great...but if yes...then you are being prejudiced.

If you disagree with the notion of dual citizenship, then you also disagree and disregard the basis on which Canada was founded.

having said that..however...if tommorrow our government disallows dual citizenship...it wont change a thing. cuz most countries in the world will then allow the canadian citizens (who immigrated here) to go and stay in their home countries as permanent residents or with some status anyway.

different people have different situations so we should all accept that. there is no one size fits all when it comes to demographics of the world today.
Very well said!
I'm born Canadain, because my parents became refugee's no thanks to a Turkish invasion of their Homeland! My parents aquired Canadian citizenship, Worked hard and payed taxes to the Canadian Govt. for 46 yrs. and never once collected unemployment or Welfare or any other such govt. help! My parents were and are, and anyone else brought up from the older generations immigrants should know this, proud! Unlike alot of the newer imagrants that receive their hand outs at the airport! Now that my father is 80 and can't handle the Canadain climate, you say he's not allowed to be Canadian anymore? Well F@*k you!
Old 31-Jul-2006 | 02:59 PM
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those who are born and raised here may not realize the struggle and hardship that a typical immigrant in canada has to go through before settling down....some take many years to be where they want.

and dont forget that they leave their home, family and friends when they immigrate. some would argue why they do it then? why not stay back? well...a good country like canada offers much more in terms of long term stability and well being....so thats why. so immigrants make a touch decision and have to go trhough a whole lot.

there has to be a very strong reason for anyone to leave their home and go to far off place for a undeterminable but hopeful future. so you have to account for that.

so if they choose to go back home afterward..whats the worry?
Old 31-Jul-2006 | 03:02 PM
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Usually people that milk it are a minority (atleast I sure hope so).
In the example of people that come here later on in life and then move back to the country where they grew up, I would think that alright.
I do not see it any different than the old folks that go to Florida from here and them come back in the summer.
Old 31-Jul-2006 | 03:19 PM
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I agree with you that dual citizenship is bogus, but it exists and I am going to take advantage of it because I can. I was born here, and my parents are born here. I am eligable for dual because my grandparents came here and never acquired citizenship. They were here for 30 years. Anyway, because of Italy's laws it allows me to apply for dual because of my ancestry.

I frequently visit Italy and like the lifestyle much better, and I have grown to hate Canadian politics with an immense passion. Its sad what has happen to this country. I wont go into specifics.

Also, as far as when asking people about their nationality goes. Of course they are going to say Scottish, Lebanese, Italian, Chinese, Indian etc. whatever it may be. It would only be too obvious to ask a question and get someone to say Canadian. When people ask me, I say I'm Italian, Im born here, my cultural background is Italian, my parents are Italian, and I love the country enough, so why not. The assumption with must people is that you are Canadian, and when people ask whats your nationality, they just want to know about your ancestry. I see no harm in this. Especially considering Canada "prides itself" on being a "multicultural society."

Anyway, anyone have any problems at the border because of dual citizenship? If so, which passport were you using?
Old 31-Jul-2006 | 03:48 PM
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I am orignally from England, but I am a landed immigrant here... Have been ever since I was 7. I have all the forms to become a Canadian Citizen just haven't sent them off yet!
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 02:06 AM
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I agree with you that dual citizenship is bogus, but it exists and I am going to take advantage of it because I can. I was born here, and my parents are born here. I am eligable for dual because my grandparents came here and never acquired citizenship. They were here for 30 years. Anyway, because of Italy's laws it allows me to apply for dual because of my ancestry.

I frequently visit Italy and like the lifestyle much better, and I have grown to hate Canadian politics with an immense passion. Its sad what has happen to this country. I wont go into specifics.

Also, as far as when asking people about their nationality goes. Of course they are going to say Scottish, Lebanese, Italian, Chinese, Indian etc. whatever it may be. It would only be too obvious to ask a question and get someone to say Canadian. When people ask me, I say I'm Italian, Im born here, my cultural background is Italian, my parents are Italian, and I love the country enough, so why not. The assumption with must people is that you are Canadian, and when people ask whats your nationality, they just want to know about your ancestry. I see no harm in this. Especially considering Canada "prides itself" on being a "multicultural society."

Anyway, anyone have any problems at the border because of dual citizenship? If so, which passport were you using?
Well I was eligible for dual citizenship as well, for me the decision was made for me. I won't ever use it, since I've been raised and born here.

I think nationality "should" be where you were born/current home rather than ethnicity.
I do see what you mean about people asking where you're from.
In my experience its "where you from?". I answer "here or Canada."
Then its, "no where were you born?" Me: Toronto.
Is at this point it depends on if I feel like being an ***, when I'm asked where are your parents from.
The real question whould be whats ones ethnicity, much more than where you're from.

As for duallys, I guess it depends on which citizenship is "worth" more.
In your case I would say it'd be better to use the EU passport. (Italy is part of the EU, right?)
But it depends on where you're going to I think.
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 02:52 AM
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I dont think a EU passport exists. You have to get a passport from one of the members of the EU. In my case Italy. Once you have that, you can travel anywhere within the EU and work and live anywhere within the EU.

Sounds like a pretty good deal too me. Hopefully I can go teach English. Probably have a thousand people with the same idea.
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 03:59 AM
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Old 01-Aug-2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by szuberi
steve....good comments but thats just your opinion.

citizenship is not just a passport that you get by paying $85...it is earned by the individual. a typical immigrant works, contributes to the system by paying taxes. if then the person leaves canada and resides abroad..in most cases...he or she does not become a burden on the system anyway cuz they are usually not allowed health care or other benefits..regardless of the fact that they are citizens and carry the passport.

are your comments influenced by the recent situation in lebaonon? if no...great...but if yes...then you are being prejudiced.

If you disagree with the notion of dual citizenship, then you also disagree and disregard the basis on which Canada was founded.

having said that..however...if tommorrow our government disallows dual citizenship...it wont change a thing. cuz most countries in the world will then allow the canadian citizens (who immigrated here) to go and stay in their home countries as permanent residents or with some status anyway.

different people have different situations so we should all accept that. there is no one size fits all when it comes to demographics of the world today.
See, it is a shame that guys like Szub think they are entitled setting the standard.

You are Canadian or you aren't.

If you have dual-citizenship, you all of a sudden have a priviledge that most native born, and anscestrally linked Canadians do not have.

Why then should immigrants possess this right to sneak back and forth with their dual passports. Are they somehow more special than the rest of everyone else?

Szub it is clear that you enjoy the use of dual-citizenship. The least you could do is enjoy it in quiet, but no, you have to go and rub it in everyone's face, and try to justify it.

Canada is a civic-nation not a nation-state, and unfortuately this country is plagued by people who see themselves as belonging to another nation. In szub's case, it is Pakistan.

Tell us Szub, why you think you are so special that you need to have 2 citizenships, without the lame tax-paying excuse. Newsflash: most people pay taxes!

I am Canadian and I am proud of it! (but I was not born here)
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 10:28 AM
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OK OK, I have done some thinking and I am a little ashamed at my Szuberi-bashing, but I still am "sticking to my guns".

To reinforce as strong nation, you must have a high deference towards it's authority. Dual citizenship makes a mockery of that. How is Canada going to assert it's sovereignty in international relations if we are a country composed of indifferent immigrants, who really have no respect or care for it.
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 10:35 AM
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^^^ Take a ****ing chill pill dude.

I have dual citzenship as well. Barbados and Canadian. I could have a Guyanese one if I so wished. Your comments generalize and label people who have a dual citzenship as perhaps evil and unsavoury. I too have an issue with people who claim citizenship and then fack off to another country. But there are quite a few of us who were born somewhere else, have dual citzenship and call Canada their home. I've lived here 18 years and have travelled solely on my Canadian passport for 14 years. I am Canadian but I am from Barbados as well. I cannot deny where I am from. But under your widespread hate-filled post about those who claim dual citizenship, I must be ridiculed because regular Canadians don't have that luxury. I must ridiculed because I also have patriotism for another country?

Go **** yourself. I pay my taxes, if that's all you care about.
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 10:36 AM
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wooo....man...you sound upset...lmao...what happened to you? if you disagree with the notion of dual citizenship....thats your opinion only right?

belonging comes from the roots...i love my place back home and go every year to enjoy and relax...then i travel visa free to most places...that is the benefit this govt. provides...if you dont like it...go to ottawa and stand with a placard at the parliament building.

btw...did you come here a as a refugee or something? any trouble back home that you dont like that place...
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 10:37 AM
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^^^ Take a ****ing chill pill dude.

I must ridiculed because I also have patriotism for another country?

Go **** yourself. I pay my taxes, if that's all you care about.
Maybe we should take some "chill pills" together, you also sound kind of cranky.

Old 01-Aug-2006 | 10:55 AM
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^ You have it all wrong, Canada has allowed immigrants to have a dual citizenship, because in most cases they leave a lot behind when they move to Canada. In a lot of cases its immediate family, not to mention friends. So there is no question that they will want to go back and visit there families often, on average i would say its once a year (summer time), thats why there were so many Canadians in Lebanon. Having the nationality just makes it easier to travel. Some people abuse the system, but thats just minority. and as for your comment on belonging to another nation, if a person has lived in a country for lets say 45 years, moving to Canada and living here for 5 years, wont just make them forget about there roots. I have a dual nationality as well, Canada and Pakistan, but every time i stand up for the Canadian national anthem, i am just as proud to be a Canadian as anyone else.
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by E_Jak


Maybe we should take some "chill pills" together, you also sound kind of cranky.

Trust me when asinine comments are made like that, it gets to me.. Especially coming from a person that looks like a so called "immigrant" (were all immigrants btw) its even more shocking and disgusting. You would thinking coming from a minority background that you would understand some of the reasons why people have dual citzenship.

However you don't. And if there wasnt a picture of you quaffin' a drink, I could have sworn your white.
Old 01-Aug-2006 | 11:07 AM
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Old 01-Aug-2006 | 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by SilverSleeper

I could have sworn your white.
Wow, OK you may have had a case fella, but you just put a lot of people in very a uncomfortable position.

I will reserve all comment on dual-citizenship, but you, fella, just crossed the line.

Racism comes in all forms, and obviously it is not exclusive to any one group.

I personally would rather be judged upon who I am not what I am . Unfortunately it is people like you who only recognize the baggage that comes with being from another nation.


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