bbarbulo

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ok I was watching a discovery program about how fish first came out to land... or rather how they came to breathe air and develop primitive limbs. while I highly doubt it went down how these people claim it did (these scientists are like 60-65 year old grandma and grandpaw looking at rocks going... well i think this is how it prolly went down). I discard their theories as bull****. they have a fraction of the info, most of the real info is either burried, melted away, or currently being filtered through an oil refinery.

but I'm curious.... how do you think first organisms came to reproduce??? cuz ok, cells split the nucleus and then regrow, then split again, etc....

an organ is a collection of like cells... so it works the same way pretty much

an organism is a collection of interactive specialized organs. so what WAS in fact the first organism? anyone here studying bio? cuz I have no idea at this point... I know the sea sponge is an organ cuz it's made up of single cells just clumped together, and so is a sea coral, right?? but at what point did .... for a silly example .... the sea sponge and the coral get together and say.... ok you be the eyes, I'll be the legs... let's go explore! so... question is... what was is thought to be the first organism? now, the other question is, how did this organism reproduce? was is a hermaphrodite like the current canadian nightcrawler, so there was no sex, one unit could reproduce as either male or female? and even so, how the hell did it even develop sexual organs? I mean I imagine these things weren't all that smart, so I can understand... to live it needed nuitrients and oxygen, so I can see how that might develop... but no where in your day to day life do you NEED to reproduce, like you yourself don't need reproduction in order to live... so at what point did this organism decide... hmmm.... I think I'm gonna lay some eggs, then maybe someone will come by and inseminate them? you understand what I mean?? it's a pretty damn far stretch to say a single cell organ that reproduced by splitting cells within itself would all of a sudden team up with other simple 'organs' and would think to make an egg based reproductive system for itself.

so, biology majors, what's the answer. what's the good word here??? cuz honest, that is a killer hole in the evolution theory IMO... I haven't read the Darwin's book or anything... I get the theory of evolution... it's just that first jump to specialized organisms, it's a bit of a soft spot. I mean did they draw straws to figure out who was gonna become the ****? LOL

the other option is intelligent creation.

the third option is that it didn't evolve like that, but rather right from the get-go there were two lines of life, one being cells, the other being organisms right from day one. and if so, how did these organisms come to be?

Cynikal.Mindset

better explanation than sayin some imaginary man in space made everything

Tego

zeeman

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according to ALL of my religion teachers in catholic school thats how it happened....so it MUST be true....right?
HAHA...no.
Even as a kid, i was always one to question religion and the beginning of time.

blitz_ctr

yea lately science has really been making me wonder, like alot of lil things kindda **** you off, like people that look at rocks to determine animal life a 600000 years ago?

i mean, yes you cant argue somethings that are obvious, but i call bs on lots of science

Rice Burner

Sorry I believe in the big guy creating everything. My ancestors where never monkeys!

bbarbulo

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well I question both sides.... I'm not religious, so I guess in a way you can say I'm an evolutionist. But even with that, I certainly don't accept everything they claim as outright truth.

Rice Burner, then how do you explain some babies being born with tails? or 3rd/4th nipple? it's not uncommon at all... I have no problem saying I was prolly some sorta monkey however many thousands of years ago...

But yes, I do not accept absolutely everything about creationism.

imported_loudsubz

this topic will lead nowhere so why argue?

we will never know so why debate?

bbarbulo

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to be honest, I'm kinda feelin the whole alien creation theory, as in somehow a higher alien life form brought life here... either on purpose, or by accident they contaminated the planet and caused life... but then the question begs to be asked, how did this super advanced alien life form come to be??? who created them?? hmmmm....

if God exists, where is he? where is evidence of his existance? for someone who demands to be worshiped, he certainly is shy!

bbarbulo

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it's not a debate. I have factual question I want answered.

1. what was the first organism

2. how did it come to reproduce

there is no debate here. well there could be, cuz every topic gets off topic a lil bit... but I started it cuz I'm hoping a bio major would know these things.

imported_loudsubz

perfectly understandable but then you get everyone throwing in their 2 cents regardless

imported_d16y8

Who's to say that god isn't what we call the alien who brought life here?

Rice Burner

I believe we are put here to live our life to the best that we can, as a test to go to heaven or hell. I believe some people are born with defects, handicaps or dealt a shietty hand in life for a reason none of us can answer, only the man can. I look at it as a test. I don't believe in hand outs or that god will send me this and that, as I have enough of my own probs, (health wise). I believe 100% without a doubt. Reason is, my mother had lung cancer back in 82, I was 10, the docs. said there is nothing they can do to help her. They gave her a max of 2 years with med. to live, if that. She belive and prayed for ST. Raphail to help her. A miracal happened and she was cured, "dots" that showed up in x-ray's disapeared. That was over 20 years ago! Another family member is alive without any reason from the medical world. All docs. don't have an ideal as to why she is alive.
That is my PERSONAL reason as to why I will never doubt. I don't try to force anyone to change, but I will not listen to non-believers (what I mean is people who try to change me), I will debate bout our existance, hell I love debates.

imported_JDMman

i would rather like to think that i am part of thousand and thousands of years of evolutionary fine tuning. Change amoung change untill we become what we are now. Through all things hard and imposible we have survived to become something better then before. Capable of emotion, intelegent thought, and much more.....

just seems better then made in 7 days.... what the hell are we?.. a sim game?.. a damn modle? screw that.

Im not religious myself but sometimes its hard to comprehend how some things can be and its easier to believe that something greater then us is apart of all this.... my theory is that god created the big bang..... thus science is all true....but religion is partly true aswell... i liike this comprimise because it allows for both beliefs...


a friend of mine is 100% anti religion and likes to bash it whenever he can but a good point he made was that although religion sounds far fetched at times its the ideals behind it that matter. Just be a good person and things like that. Thats what matters.



oh and to answer the question of the thread i would have to say although im not very knowledable in this kinda stuff i think that evolution isn't a big leap. Its not just a monkey turning into a human... its slower then that. Its small change over thousands of years.

I know what you mean when you say.. when did we need to at one point lets say.. need two sexes to have children. But more importantly would be why would we need that. Perhaps in order for one sex to man the home while the other goes out for food. One tends the child while the other feeds it. Things like that. It makes sense to think that we evelove according to needs. Its hard to understand most of it but it makes sense.

Also im sure scientist don't just look at a rock and say... "yo docter this rock is like 5 million years old"... lol.... there is a science to it obvously.. and if we could all understand it then we would all have great jobs.. lol...

J-SKI

I was raised christian but converted to catholism but I still tend to believe in the theory of evolution. There's way more fact in science than in the depictation of the theory of religion. It's the same way you cut an old tree in half and count all the rings to tell it's age. I believe we all evolved from monkeys which evolved from tiny micro oranisms way before, but i also believe that there was a higher being that planted the seed of that first micro organism. to each their own but always remember that monkey is a long lost ancester in all our family trees!

Eurotuner00

this is one questiong that conflicts with religion. im a catholic myself but like its hard to belive if God created everything or it was all an evolution. if there was solid proof that be better but you know there isnt so you have to stick with your guts and or belivfes. SCIENCE and RELIGION always have been in a competition toghter and both effect each other..

bbarbulo

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who created the aliens then?

bbarbulo

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both theories have massive holes in them, that's why they're just theories, not fact. I just tend to think there is more physical evidence to support evolution rather than religion. thing is, there was hundreds of thousands of species to leave trace evidence in rocks.... and there was only one jesus. so I can see how it would be much easier to find evidence of one but not the other. that's why I don't dismiss either outright.

back to my question, what is the first organism and how did it reproduce? how did organisms come to be from single cell life forms?

blitz_ctr

in the quran, it says god takes the form of non of his creations...... alien like being perhaps? lol

btw- im a muslim, so dont take this as bashing

imported_nnniiiccckkk007

we come from space...end of discussion

I am closing this thread.

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