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12-Mar-2004, 02:28 PM
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firstly it wasnt a side step approach because Kai Tak only has 1 runway (13/31).
only one of the are ILS(radio assisted, runway31).
The approach for this pilot was runway 13, an IGS approach, however this approach is really stupid, because the glide scope is not inline with the actual runway!!
as u can see in the following picture, the glide scope for runway13 is at a heading of 088 but the runway is at a heading of 136, which would mean a last minute swerve to the right on the final approach. the reason they did this is because of the hills blocking the runway (shaded green): chart of kai tak
the korean air pilot made the turn to the too wide, resulting in a correction to the left. at a very nice job i might add.
more pics of similar errors on runway 13
only one of the are ILS(radio assisted, runway31).
The approach for this pilot was runway 13, an IGS approach, however this approach is really stupid, because the glide scope is not inline with the actual runway!!
as u can see in the following picture, the glide scope for runway13 is at a heading of 088 but the runway is at a heading of 136, which would mean a last minute swerve to the right on the final approach. the reason they did this is because of the hills blocking the runway (shaded green): chart of kai tak
the korean air pilot made the turn to the too wide, resulting in a correction to the left. at a very nice job i might add.
more pics of similar errors on runway 13
12-Mar-2004, 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by QuiCK_TiME
firstly it wasnt a side step approach because Kai Tak only has 1 runway (13/31).
only one of the are ILS (radio assisted, runway31).
The approach for this pilot was runway 13, an IGS approach, however this approach is really stupid, because the glide scope is not inline with the actual runway!!
as u can see in the following picture, the glide scope for runway13 is at a heading of 088 but the runway is at a heading of 136, which would mean a last minute swerve to the right on the final approach. the reason they did this is because of the hills blocking the runway (shaded green): chart of kai tak
the korean air pilot made the turn to the too wide, resulting in a correction to the left. at a very nice job i might add.
more pics of similar errors on runway 13
firstly it wasnt a side step approach because Kai Tak only has 1 runway (13/31).
only one of the are ILS (radio assisted, runway31).
The approach for this pilot was runway 13, an IGS approach, however this approach is really stupid, because the glide scope is not inline with the actual runway!!
as u can see in the following picture, the glide scope for runway13 is at a heading of 088 but the runway is at a heading of 136, which would mean a last minute swerve to the right on the final approach. the reason they did this is because of the hills blocking the runway (shaded green): chart of kai tak
the korean air pilot made the turn to the too wide, resulting in a correction to the left. at a very nice job i might add.
more pics of similar errors on runway 13
Yep definately no side "step" going on there... side step is a transfer from one parrallel runway approch to the one beside it (landing on the runway beside the approch you just did)
A side "slip" is totaly different, its full rudder, opposite aileron to rapidly loose altitude and also compensate for a heavy crosswind( in this case makeing the threshhold of the runway, due to an over shot turn) for adequate stopping distance.
Good links QuiCK_TiME, that airport is so interestingly different. That approch plate explains everything
I was judgeing the approch as a normal airport layout (straight in final), which would make it simply a bad landing lol. Wind direction, runway alignment, everything lol... That video doesnt do that pilot any justice without the background to follow it.
Ive never studyed Kai Tak approch plates before, Its quite the unique approch layout. It forces pilots to land with the wind in certine cirumstances. For the obvious reason of planes not being able to clear the hills on take off, they have to make right hand turn on landing all the time. and with the wind at your back or from your right, im sure it gets hairy like that quite often. That pilot obviously overshot the final approch turn, fatigue maybe, 1st officer doing the landing, training, who knows why... bottem line it was a nice safe recovery.
I was thinking it was Kansai International Airport when i first saw it becasue of the water surroundings. Beutiful work of art that airport is
Not many airports use an insturment guidence system "IGS", but rather the insturment landing system "ILS". Hell my airport only has an NDB approch lol we dont even have ILS yet. Probably going to straight to GPS tho in the next few years...
ok I can sleep now, everything makes sence
13-Mar-2004, 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by mars
wow! thanks quick_time. That info was definately news to me.
wow! thanks quick_time. That info was definately news to me.
Originally posted by BoOsTZeX
I was thinking it was Kansai International Airport when i first saw it becasue of the water surroundings. Beutiful work of art that airport is
I was thinking it was Kansai International Airport when i first saw it becasue of the water surroundings. Beutiful work of art that airport is
KANSAI:
13-Mar-2004, 11:50 PM
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Yes, but unfortunately a flaoting airport poses lots of problems. Its highly prone to winds and waves and earthquakes.
The whole airport is actually sinking. The structure itself is built on jacks and is raised from time to time to level it out and to raise it up.
A big earthquake hit it a while back...the design was such a marvel that all the glass walls escaped unharmed. even those are floating off the building.
The air conditioning in that building is also one of a kind. The ceilings are built in such a way that a central air conditioning blower will allow the air to travel along the ceilings curves in order to cool the entire place.
The whole airport is actually sinking. The structure itself is built on jacks and is raised from time to time to level it out and to raise it up.
A big earthquake hit it a while back...the design was such a marvel that all the glass walls escaped unharmed. even those are floating off the building.
The air conditioning in that building is also one of a kind. The ceilings are built in such a way that a central air conditioning blower will allow the air to travel along the ceilings curves in order to cool the entire place.
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