imported_viper_2_4

then you can't complain about anything government related (health care, education, taxes, laws, ANYTHING) because you had potential to change it but you were too busy playing video games to take the 5 min it takes to vote .....atleast spoiling your ballot shows a form of protest, doing nothing does just that nothing

imported_viper_2_4

very very good question....and I honestly don't know

stock94block

I'll agree with robb on the schools issue. Ontario compared to the US in "school spirit" is pathetic..why that would matter is because its not only a place you learn but a place you should like going to.

But i wont give my vote to the NDP. I've read their website and theres a couple issues i dont like
1. They're big on the environment, dont get me wrong I agree they shouldnt be drilling for oil in the coast of BC..but they say the word "dirty air" a lot and i can see that biting companies in the *** later on, particularly in the power generation sector (personal issue there)
2. I dont like their plan to "fix" the immigration system. They would do this by making it easier to get into canada (im assuming). Canada is a perfect safe haven for terrorists and criminals, thats the last thing we need.
3. International aid. Well they want to increase it, ok fine with me..but how much is this going to cost me in taxes, the money has to come from somewhere.

stock94block

maybe we should just all vote communist

http://www.cpcml.ca

imported_viper_2_4

a little more to think about relating to the environment, the Canadian Government keeps saying how we agree with kyoto, however we are apparently far behind where we should be, its almost as if nothing has been done. I'm not impressed.

Another thing, the Liberals are trying to bring forth this new law that bans the use of hand guns, while I agree with the idea in principle, I fail to see how it will be of any benefit. As we have seen with the gun registry (aka waste of money), criminals don't register thier guns, and I don't think criminals will follow this handgun ban either. So is the benefit significant? not really...coudl it help? maybe, but probably not as significant as its being played out to be.

imported_hdave

i personally dont like our healthcare

way too much money wasted, and sooooo many people go to the doctor all the time just for the hell of it even if theres no problem

and theres a crapload of people paying a lot of taxes for healthcare they dont even need.

that isnt fair.

there are SSSSOOOOOOOO many places that people waste government money its unbelievable.

rrspexpress

is it fair that someone who can't afford health care should be denied it or treated differently than those who can? universal healthcare, education and daycare are steps that move a country forward. the best way to reduce crime is to have universal education. (look at europe)

we live in a society, if someone trips next to you i believe you should help him back up.

imported_hdave

^ i agree with that fact,

but i think we should somehow try to force employers and such to deal with healthcare plans or provide insurance etc..

bbor-imported

The problem is , there's too many people tripping , as the
population ages , poor diets , etc etc.
Our healthcare system cant handle it !
We need to take a closer look at our society !
There's too many fast food joints around !
Thats 1 culprit of a strain to healthcare.

imported_SilverSleeper

Can you explain you beef in the power generation sector? Are you referring to the coal fired plants being slowly phased out?

imported_hdave

our healthcare system is a good idea in theory

but in practise its just a HUGE drain on gov't money.
you cant control people milking it for all its worth; people go visit their doctor for every little small thing, while others with actual problems have to wait around while pussies who cant handle even a headache are being checked out and told to go home and sleep.
all of that crap costs money, doctors are highly paid and their time shouldnt be wasted.

bbor-imported

what ? people actually go see a doctor for a headache ?

imported_hdave

^ my girlfriends mom has visited her dentist over 5 times in a single month (thats once a week) for a "toothache when she eats sweet things"
not to mention that she goes to her optomatrist twice a year (thank god for the new law that limits people to ocne a year)
and her doctor for such little small BS things that you wouldnt htink its worth the gas and time

(shes a HUGE *****)

oh and she asked the DJ at someones bday party to turn down the music or else she might get a headache LOL (luckily no one listened to her)

imported_hdave

shes a HUGE ***** (puzzy)

imported_SilverSleeper

I think thats an extreme case. But I'd rather give up some money in the bank for a better healthcare system.

I shudder to think of Canada's healthcare becoming private like the U.S.

bdotdan

i hate Harper

i can't trust or vote for a man that looks like he wears lickstick in commercials

sorta the same when Hank Hill didn't want to vote for Dubya cause of his weak handshake hahahah

Si98

jean chretien's mouth was all over the place and brian mulroney had a bigger chin than jay leno...but they still became prime minister

shame on u....don't judge a book by its cover !!!!!!

rrspexpress

hahhahahaha, lip stick......that's why my sis won't vote for him either


i think the health care system is a work in progress. it's not finished yet and we shouldn't see it that way. like the law where you can't visit the optomatrist more than once a year, they could tweak the current system so that there wasn't as much "waste". that'd be alot better than privatizing it.

imported_gatherer

actually number one on the NDP list is the blue collar worker. the unionized man. the NDP are socialists that believe everyone should have the same things...


if you want a party that cares for the environment vote Green. they are the only ones. most think they are wasting a vote, but they are not if a few green party members get in or the green party gets more of the popular vote it'll send a message to ottawa...

Anyways as for the creation of the health care system that was done by an NDP guy out in Sask. it was adopted for the whole country by the conservatives that were in power at the time and then when Trudeau was in power they drew out what minimum standards for health care.

the NDP have never been in power on a federal level. ever.

imported_Italia311

Some of the things I wanted to say have been said already but I will say this.

Harper wants to cut taxes down to 5%. Heres everyone complaining about Health care and education which are provincial issues (thank mike harris for that) but, also require money from the Federal government for support.

So, people complain about health care and education and want changes, but honestly, I don't see it gettin any better when you start cutting GST. In all honesty, I would love for that to happen,
but where is Harper going to get the money to invest into health care and education??? Did you know that if he actually, he ACTUALY does that Canadians will lose something like 20 billion a year on money going to social programs and things like health care and education?? This is the worst idea ever, and honestly, people just gotta learn to deal with paying taxes.

The NDP? Well, I have to admit, I like the NDP but Layton lives in Fantasy land. His idea's are good, but they're just not realistic. I saw him on CPAC say the following things and I laughed. He went on to talk about investing all this money into health care, education, the environment and when asked about cutting taxes, well, he said he would also cut taxes!!!! Where is he going to get the money??? I DUNNO!! Maybe he'll throw us into more debt like harper wants to. Oh and being the big defender of public health care that he is, he also mentioned that, he wouldn't stop private clinics anymore, hes going to regulate them. Thats weird...

And the good old Liberals. Not the best, but the most realistic. While this government has been constantly bashed buy the opposition about corruption, they have actually done stuff. Surplus that last 8 yrs, The BEST economy going, coincidence? Something doesnt come from nothing! Someones gotta be working. They don't mention cuts in the GST because its not possible and thats a fact! The personal income tax cut is 10x better. Its a proven FACT that cutting GST will lower productivity in a country. Look at any reliable economic source! I like the childcare program, its effecient and honest. The hand guns thing, well its a start.

Anywho, this is already too long. And I don't intend on making this a "dirty thread" so please keep this open as long as there are some intellegent debates.