liberals vs conservatives
12-Dec-2005, 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by rrspexpress
it's deffinitely better for the gov't to spend money (ie transfer payments) from our taxes then to give us money to spend ourselves. it's an eco principle, rather simple.
if they spend "x" amount, the multiplier effect (etc) will see that amount slowly ****** and the economy benefits.
if they give us a tax break, say "x" amount, most people won't spend all of this amount. instead, they'll spend "y" amount, which is less than the total they recieve, the rest they will save.
putting money into a bank account doesn't benefit the eco, therefore it is better for gov't's to spend the money themselves (long term benefits)
it's deffinitely better for the gov't to spend money (ie transfer payments) from our taxes then to give us money to spend ourselves. it's an eco principle, rather simple.
if they spend "x" amount, the multiplier effect (etc) will see that amount slowly ****** and the economy benefits.
if they give us a tax break, say "x" amount, most people won't spend all of this amount. instead, they'll spend "y" amount, which is less than the total they recieve, the rest they will save.
putting money into a bank account doesn't benefit the eco, therefore it is better for gov't's to spend the money themselves (long term benefits)
12-Dec-2005, 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Younes Si
Libs are corrupt, but They're probably going to be re-elected
Libs are corrupt, but They're probably going to be re-elected
I can honestly say I am pleased with Healthcare (atleast in my area) Never had problems. I have no idea what the schools are like but my dad is a teacher and basically the curriculum changes are killing some students. But then again Education is PROVINCIAL not Federal. People always get those mixed up
12-Dec-2005, 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Double_B
As far as people abusing the system, you are right, not fair, but they should be ensuring that these people are not abusing the system instead of letting them.
As far as people abusing the system, you are right, not fair, but they should be ensuring that these people are not abusing the system instead of letting them.
There is no way to prevent that except to not have it at all.
It's too bad some people ruin things for otehrs...
12-Dec-2005, 04:12 PM
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There is no perfect way of doing anything, we can go on about this for days, good example is the gun issues in Toronto. But they at least need to do something to reduce it or deter people from doing it. Not saying I have the answers, but there is always a way, but again as long as they are happy in power, who cares, its not their money anyways.
12-Dec-2005, 04:53 PM
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Lets try to keep our heads on k guys?
I don't what to make of the child care issue. I don't have kids and I could considered one right now, so I couldn't tell ya if getting either money or a system in place would be better.
We did have Baby Bonus at one time. Wasn't that kind of like what Stephen Harper is promoting, just called different?
For me, the issue is taxes. Too much taxes, not enough effect.
The Liberal sing praises on how their doing so well with their surplus.
But its good to know while the Liberal were running a surplus, the provinces were running a deficit.
I don't what to make of the child care issue. I don't have kids and I could considered one right now, so I couldn't tell ya if getting either money or a system in place would be better.
We did have Baby Bonus at one time. Wasn't that kind of like what Stephen Harper is promoting, just called different?
For me, the issue is taxes. Too much taxes, not enough effect.
The Liberal sing praises on how their doing so well with their surplus.
But its good to know while the Liberal were running a surplus, the provinces were running a deficit.
12-Dec-2005, 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Bruce Fee
I think we should be able to opt our of EI... why the hell not?
I think we should be able to opt our of EI... why the hell not?
12-Dec-2005, 05:03 PM
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All this talk about money, really irks me...
Not one person here (and even in the government doesn't acknowledge) that this IS NOT GOVERNMENTS MONEY...It is the money of Canadians, earned by Canadians, paid to Government (In Trust) for various services, not for whatever they please. All it is is money given back that YOU already paid. We really need to get back to the fundamentals of Income Tax. It was supposed to be temporary to help pay for the war.
Don't give me the crap that for working families this is a handout...its a return.
So let me get this straight, some of you would prefer the government to make all your decisions for you because you think they have your best interests at heart, and they alone can keep the economy strong.
Not one person here (and even in the government doesn't acknowledge) that this IS NOT GOVERNMENTS MONEY...It is the money of Canadians, earned by Canadians, paid to Government (In Trust) for various services, not for whatever they please. All it is is money given back that YOU already paid. We really need to get back to the fundamentals of Income Tax. It was supposed to be temporary to help pay for the war.
Don't give me the crap that for working families this is a handout...its a return.
So let me get this straight, some of you would prefer the government to make all your decisions for you because you think they have your best interests at heart, and they alone can keep the economy strong.
12-Dec-2005, 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by electronblue
All this talk about money, really irks me...
Not one person here (and even in the government doesn't acknowledge) that this IS NOT GOVERNMENTS MONEY...It is the money of Canadians, earned by Canadians, paid to Government (In Trust) for various services, not for whatever they please. All it is is money given back that YOU already paid. We really need to get back to the fundamentals of Income Tax. It was supposed to be temporary to help pay for the war.
Don't give me the crap that for working families this is a handout...its a return.
All this talk about money, really irks me...
Not one person here (and even in the government doesn't acknowledge) that this IS NOT GOVERNMENTS MONEY...It is the money of Canadians, earned by Canadians, paid to Government (In Trust) for various services, not for whatever they please. All it is is money given back that YOU already paid. We really need to get back to the fundamentals of Income Tax. It was supposed to be temporary to help pay for the war.
Don't give me the crap that for working families this is a handout...its a return.
12-Dec-2005, 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by electronblue
All this talk about money, really irks me...
Not one person here (and even in the government doesn't acknowledge) that this IS NOT GOVERNMENTS MONEY...It is the money of Canadians, earned by Canadians, paid to Government (In Trust) for various services, not for whatever they please. All it is is money given back that YOU already paid. We really need to get back to the fundamentals of Income Tax. It was supposed to be temporary to help pay for the war.
Don't give me the crap that for working families this is a handout...its a return.
So let me get this straight, some of you would prefer the government to make all your decisions for you because you think they have your best interests at heart, and they alone can keep the economy strong.
All this talk about money, really irks me...
Not one person here (and even in the government doesn't acknowledge) that this IS NOT GOVERNMENTS MONEY...It is the money of Canadians, earned by Canadians, paid to Government (In Trust) for various services, not for whatever they please. All it is is money given back that YOU already paid. We really need to get back to the fundamentals of Income Tax. It was supposed to be temporary to help pay for the war.
Don't give me the crap that for working families this is a handout...its a return.
So let me get this straight, some of you would prefer the government to make all your decisions for you because you think they have your best interests at heart, and they alone can keep the economy strong.
12-Dec-2005, 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Italia311
Well, I definently agree on those two statements and thats why I like the Liberal Childcare program better.
While that may seem as a general comment, its the truth and those people know exactly who they are. I want to know how many parents, will go out and spend the money just on their kids. Truthfully.
In reality though...how far is 25 bucks going to really get you? Thats more of a slap in the face than anything.
Well, I definently agree on those two statements and thats why I like the Liberal Childcare program better.
While that may seem as a general comment, its the truth and those people know exactly who they are. I want to know how many parents, will go out and spend the money just on their kids. Truthfully.
In reality though...how far is 25 bucks going to really get you? Thats more of a slap in the face than anything.
12-Dec-2005, 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by Moe_Mentum
I agree though if its $25 a year I can't possibly see how this can greatly benefit a family. Yes every bit counts.. but come on $25. You could easily scrounge that money saving in other areas such as saving on electricity, gas, etc. If you are in dire need of that extra $25 then it will take a lot more then that to solve your problems.
I agree though if its $25 a year I can't possibly see how this can greatly benefit a family. Yes every bit counts.. but come on $25. You could easily scrounge that money saving in other areas such as saving on electricity, gas, etc. If you are in dire need of that extra $25 then it will take a lot more then that to solve your problems.
13-Dec-2005, 10:30 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._on_na/fedelxn
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
on the childcare issue, apparently the liberal plan will cost 11 Billion dollars over the next 10 years, IMO big waste of money....
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
on the childcare issue, apparently the liberal plan will cost 11 Billion dollars over the next 10 years, IMO big waste of money....
13-Dec-2005, 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by viper_2_4
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
13-Dec-2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by Double_B
It also promotes parent's pushing their kids into organized sports, just to collect. I am all for kids in organized sport, for the right reasons. Already you have too many competitive parents involved in organized sport and getting arrested for assault. Would be interesting to see how that works if implemented.
It also promotes parent's pushing their kids into organized sports, just to collect. I am all for kids in organized sport, for the right reasons. Already you have too many competitive parents involved in organized sport and getting arrested for assault. Would be interesting to see how that works if implemented.
13-Dec-2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by viper_2_4
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._on_na/fedelxn
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
on the childcare issue, apparently the liberal plan will cost 11 Billion dollars over the next 10 years, IMO big waste of money....
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._on_na/fedelxn
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
on the childcare issue, apparently the liberal plan will cost 11 Billion dollars over the next 10 years, IMO big waste of money....
13-Dec-2005, 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by SilverSleeper
Can you explain you beef in the power generation sector? Are you referring to the coal fired plants being slowly phased out?
Can you explain you beef in the power generation sector? Are you referring to the coal fired plants being slowly phased out?
im starting to lean toward the conservatives, paul martin just seems like too much of a douche, i honestly dont want either representing canada.
Not only that, he stumbles on his words too much..he never seems like he has a 100% understanding of whats going on. And for once i would really like to see a candidate give a speech without coughing up information off a cue card made by someone else.
uhh well..uhhh ,..you know..umm..uhhhh
13-Dec-2005, 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by viper_2_4
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._on_na/fedelxn
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
on the childcare issue, apparently the liberal plan will cost 11 Billion dollars over the next 10 years, IMO big waste of money....
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._on_na/fedelxn
interesting thing I read there, the conservatives are planning on giving families that have a child in organized sports a $500 tax credit, seems like a great way to combat childhood obesity....
on the childcare issue, apparently the liberal plan will cost 11 Billion dollars over the next 10 years, IMO big waste of money....
