From what I know and read, after WW2 the European Jews, which is the largest part of the Isreali Jew's now, had no where to go, Cyprus here allowed them to come stay as long as it took till they settled things about getting to "the promise land" Isreal. I have 2 issue's with this now! 1) The Palistinians allowed them, said they'll take them in, and got screwed big time after. 2) The Isrealies have sided with Turkey, made allies with them, (Cyprus's enemy, which we are still at war with, again thanks to the U.S.) and forgot the generacity the country and people of Cyprus gave to the Jew's. They CANNOT cont. to take land away from other's and expect not to be hated, oh and the U.S. doesn't sell them weapons, they give them weapons along with 13 billion dollers a year. Why? Look at the U. S. 's senate-80% Jew's, so who runs what now?

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2200844

 

From what I can understand all of you seem to spit words of wisdom but bull **** runs deep
Education is not learned from what others write and say, and every side has its own truths and its own deception. The problem is in numbers. The trillions of palistinians and arabic people obviously can reach further in the minds of the uneducated and can twist stories with intense numbers. No-one can judge unless they have been there or lived there for any amount of time. I've lost friends and family to palistinian terrorists attacks and I believe Israel is 100% justified in defending the land. The people we hold in our jails have been given fair trial and have been judged accordingly.... There is no fair trial when an animal blows himself up on a crowded street or at a crowded bus stop. There is no fair trial for soldiers who are defending they're peoples rights to live are abducted and brutally murdered.

 

The madness is in the beliefs of the people who have nothing to do with it but just want to stir the pot

 

cool. my mom is from palestine/jerusalem, my dad is from iran, i have relatives in jordan and yaffa, one of my closer friends was born in baghdad and has tons of family there. None of us are arab or Muslim.

my grandparents were orphaned in a genocide which is recognized by most 1st world nations.

israel not only not recognizes it, but the rememberence date which was taught to me my whole life, was declared holocaust remeberence day within the last two years by israeli organizations. Their view on the slaughter of my great grandparents from the government was "history is for historians to discuss." Unfortunately, they only say that when it is convenient.

orthodox judaism includes the practice of spitting on the ground as a sign of disgust in israel.

you can take your half truths and shove them somewhere else.

I have friends of all nationalities and country origins. I am anti-all religion myself and believe we're all one and the same, but there are a lot of groups I spit on myself. I would **** on their leaders publicly if I could, and could get away with it.

And I mean literally.

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Israel was not handed over peacefully, the zionists had "animals" of their own blowing themselves up. Read something unbiased.

Both groups have innocent people caught in the middle of war, and both groups have the vile, dispicable pieces of **** that doesn't deserve much.

 

strongly disagree that canada should keep out, but when the USA does the same thing....you crap on them?

canada should keep out, its not a canadian problem, the only issue that needs to be addressed is making sure canadians in the area get home safely.


canada has enough problems of our own, lets take care of ourselves first

 

well...the campaign in afghanistan is also not a canadian problem...so why are our tax dollars being spent there...why do u have the canadian troops in that country...why canada has paid millions in aid to the iraq war...that is not our problem...

just cuz uncle sam asked us to do....get your facts straight man.

bruce...lmao...sell my condo...haha...well..dont have any plan like that...i have enough means to do all the charity i want. on a serious note though....i didnt mean to say that the whole country should have the same opinion.....if somebody disagrees...its their right.

but my point was to highlight that there is always a differnce b/w right and wrong....the occupation is wrong...you youself mentioned about the pre-war border and how much it was tolerated....and compare it with whats happening now.

the real culprits are not hezbollah or hamas...its the current US administration.....these ppl also have the right to their freedom cuz these countries do not have support of a rich country like US...doesnt mean they are wrong.

 

were an ally of the united states, whether you like it or not, get your facts straight man



so of course were gonna be aiding them


its in canadian interest as a country



"there is a farily large middle eastern/muslim community in canada who feel affected...obviously u dont cuz all u care is your beer and your babe....there is life beyond that."


honestly instead of spitting out facts

take your hard earned cash and donate it to helping those in need, say a prayer, donate used clothing, whatever floats your boat



you can tell me a great story on how my views are wrong but you still doing nothing to help the situation



honestly

we gotta fix our ****ed up city first


you have a job, house and health....be thankfull

you live in a country that allows you to live .... just leave it @ that mang

 

I don't agree with most of what you said but I'm not out to make enemies I do however agree with the fact that there are vile people on both sides, the % in numbers (like your educaters) are greatly on your side. You should be proud

Oh and as an orthodox Jew the practice of "spitting in disgust" is in disgust of the surpression of our religion in the time of the destruction of our temples as well as the time of religious crusades that did not let us practice the passing on of education through the learning of our history and has absolutely nothing to do with what you have claimed, however I have no problem spitting in disgust of your attacks

and as a history and English major I read quite a lot of history I do not agree with but I do not hezitate to voice my opinions

 

I know the Zionist side had terrorism as well for the cause but if you read the history, the attacks were internal and made only on other israelis who supported diverse causes.

 

I agree man most people here have no place in defending political statements elsewhere because they are not affected.
Let the ones who are affected fight the war.
I believe these politics have no place on the fence this country likes to sit on

 

Deviant Sol,

You can voice your opinion all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

My statements were not opinions, but facts.

April 24, 1915 is the rememberence day for the Armenian genocide, considering the media attention Jewish groups believe they deserve, and the reperations they deserve, you think they would at the very least acknowledge it, instead of try and swallow the day for themselves.

Spitting in digust at another groups religions practices and icons does nothing but create contempt from one group to another, as well as ****** it among younger more open people of each group.

I'm not sure what you are disputing, whether it is your opinion on where my family is from, or that hatred from one group to another is not constructive, but either way, I think your thought process is a bit crap.

I don't mind if you disagree, you have the right to be wrong. We don't live in a country run by a Muslim regime.

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Szuberi, it's your thought that the occupation is wrong, there are many people who disagree with you. You have to at least appreciate my point that the whole country should not be forced to side with one group. It's not 'our' problem. It's a problem for a number of people, but not all of ours.

If you care so much, you are always free to sign up, join the army on either side, and put your body where your mouth is.

Regardless of my views, I don't think an entire country should be forced into what I think is right.

You don't force your friends where to go, nor do you force them what to wear (except one of my friends who thinks his Leafs jacket is considered a dressy jacket - but he's a caker).

We live in what is considered or at least advertised as a free society, we should not be forced to support a war we don't care for.

I myself, would prefer to see 100% of foreign aid stopped, and put into our own system. Help our poor eat, help hunt for corruption in our country, help Canadians across the world be safe, happy, and prosperous.

Anyone who prefers money spent on another country, can at any time move there and join their taxbase.

You always have a choice.

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I like how I geniunely disagree with both sides of so many conflicts.

 

I agree Canada Should not send Troops to the Middle East.

Lebonnon and Isreal have been at war for a long time. it is a regional conflict and the only reason that the World is paying attention is the disuption of oil prices this is causing.

I strongly believe Canada shouldn't be in Afganistan as well (just for the record) we have our own issues at home that need addressing.

if troops are sent to the middle east it will be to create a "buffer" zone, what does that mean in relatity? it means both sides get toi shell you and shoot at you. I don't want to see Canadians Killed. a buffer zone will not fix the issues in the middle east. I say let the nations of the middle east fight an all out regional war, eventually someone has to win or all the combatants end up dead or something like that.

Canada should stay out.

 

By your retoric you are out to make enemies....

For one, Palestinians are not "animals", but Israeli soldiers who kill innocent civilians are animals...or the Israeli Gov who denounces UN resolutions because it does not work in their benefit....such as the one which calls for Israel's withdrawl from the Golan Heights....but the UN is just a misspelled abbreviation...they meant to say US....come on man...stop being ignorant...stop watching CNN and stop listening to Bush's radio address......then maybe...just MAYBE you will see the true light.....maybe you should visit the link posted by Szuberi about the 1982 massacres....did they teach you that in your history class? I don't think so.....

If you want to be part of this discussion then do not disrespect other cultures as no1 has disrespected Jews in this discussion thus far....EXCEPT ME just now

Besides....lets be realistic....Israeli destroying and killing people in Lebanon for the release of 2 soldiers....does that seem right to you? I don't think so......so don't come on here justifying the actions of Israel....on the flip side I do not agree with Hezballah either b/c their actions and ideologies are extreme and I don't support it at all...however the real victim in all this are the Lebanese people....that is who i have sympathy for....

 

this is too serious for me so early in the A.M ... try me again at like 2pm ..

 

UN is not a ***** to the US.... As they did say no to Iraq, and we saw Georgie B **** all over them... UN merely has the same ideals that the US gov't has on official paper....

refering to people as animals shows an uncontrollable bias.

i do believe we're all animals. nothing more, nothing less. just a little better at expressing ourselves and probably smarter than most.

I think it would be good to have Canadian peacekeepers here, in Canada. They could patrol downtown Toronto, Jane and Finch, Galloway, Malvern, any other high crime shootout areas.

 

ive heard quite the amont of gun play recently on the block ... luckything im stories and stories above ground lol

 

Did you know what the pop. is in Gaza? Or how overpopulated densly packed it is? There is 6 people for every 1 square meter!!!! Did you know Isreal has now destroyed their water plant's, control their ports, blew up their power grid and doesn't allow food, water, fuel for power into Gaza. To me it's pretty clear who the ********* are and the Axis of Evil!
Now they shut down Lebenon, blew up their fuel supplies for power, their water plants, their ports, their airports, their roads in and out of the country. How are these people expected to survive? No food no water not even hospitals are able to run! And you expect them not to strap some crude home made bomb onto themselves and blow people up?

 

In simplest form:
War, killings, bombings,etc...should not be happening anywhere in the world right now..Unfortunately it is affecting everyone in one aspect or another and i truly believe that all countries will sort themselves out..let live or die trying...To each their own in who they want to help or not..Its human nature that some people's opinions are affected by what they see or hear over the news;its devasting and no one truly knows what the hell is going on unless your part of the problem first hand so everyone should just keep their ignorant views and biases opinions to themselves or try to share it in a polite view...so a war doesnt start on this thread; so at least it wont have to be shut down.

 

Hey guys, everybody makes good points here. As for me, my mom is stuck over there now. Its a really tense situation. I pray that she will be back safely.

Here is a very interesting article that you guys can read up on.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...EFBED61924.htm

BTW...our PM Harper is unbelievable in his comments. Totally obsurb IMO. In the mean time, I pray that my mom is ok and the rest of my family.