Madness In the Middle East
#41
Originally posted by chillinit
Hey guys, everybody makes good points here. As for me, my mom is stuck over there now. Its a really tense situation. I pray that she will be back safely.
Here is a very interesting article that you guys can read up on.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...EFBED61924.htm
BTW...our PM Harper is unbelievable in his comments. Totally obsurb IMO. In the mean time, I pray that my mom is ok and the rest of my family.
Hey guys, everybody makes good points here. As for me, my mom is stuck over there now. Its a really tense situation. I pray that she will be back safely.
Here is a very interesting article that you guys can read up on.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...EFBED61924.htm
BTW...our PM Harper is unbelievable in his comments. Totally obsurb IMO. In the mean time, I pray that my mom is ok and the rest of my family.
If you also read on Al Jazeera, Israeli targeted ambulances and a truck carrying medical supplies by the UAE....
I guess this war ****** beyond the militia group now....their actions dictate that they now have intentions of pretty much eliminating all help/aid to the country in the hopes that ppl will die from starvation and lack of necessities....such as medical supplies
#42
Originally posted by jcrelaj
In simplest form:
War, killings, bombings,etc...should not be happening anywhere in the world right now..Unfortunately it is affecting everyone in one aspect or another and i truly believe that all countries will sort themselves out..let live or die trying...To each their own in who they want to help or not..Its human nature that some people's opinions are affected by what they see or hear over the news;its devasting and no one truly knows what the hell is going on unless your part of the problem first hand so everyone should just keep their ignorant views and biases opinions to themselves or try to share it in a polite view...so a war doesnt start on this thread; so at least it wont have to be shut down.
In simplest form:
War, killings, bombings,etc...should not be happening anywhere in the world right now..Unfortunately it is affecting everyone in one aspect or another and i truly believe that all countries will sort themselves out..let live or die trying...To each their own in who they want to help or not..Its human nature that some people's opinions are affected by what they see or hear over the news;its devasting and no one truly knows what the hell is going on unless your part of the problem first hand so everyone should just keep their ignorant views and biases opinions to themselves or try to share it in a polite view...so a war doesnt start on this thread; so at least it wont have to be shut down.
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it is just such a shame so many innocent people are dragged into other peoples self-serving greed, ambition, and lust for power.
#43
While I do agree that any country should have the right to defend itself, it is totally different to attack another nation based on assumptions.
Its a complete mess over there and will only make things worst because of the view that the west hates muslims. Result, you a small # of people who want to not only kill you but destroy your way of life.
What Israel is doing is beyond overkill. If Syria and Iran get into it then things will get a LOT worse.
IMO, I don't think Canada should send any troops over since we are already helping in Afghanistan. I do think however that after they should try to help as UN Peacekeepers (engineers, doctors, construcion), but not as a military force on the offensive.
I do think we have to look out for our own interests first (why do we have Natives living in 3rd world conditions here and not do anything about it for starters) but we can't also turn a blind eye to genocide like we have in the past, aka. Rwanda, **** Germany.
I think its pretty safe to assume that it won't get that bad, but regardless I sure hope it doesn't get that bad.
And the govt. sucks. It took the death of 7 Canadians for them to consider "Hey maybe we should get our people out?"
My 2 cents...
Its a complete mess over there and will only make things worst because of the view that the west hates muslims. Result, you a small # of people who want to not only kill you but destroy your way of life.
What Israel is doing is beyond overkill. If Syria and Iran get into it then things will get a LOT worse.
IMO, I don't think Canada should send any troops over since we are already helping in Afghanistan. I do think however that after they should try to help as UN Peacekeepers (engineers, doctors, construcion), but not as a military force on the offensive.
I do think we have to look out for our own interests first (why do we have Natives living in 3rd world conditions here and not do anything about it for starters) but we can't also turn a blind eye to genocide like we have in the past, aka. Rwanda, **** Germany.
I think its pretty safe to assume that it won't get that bad, but regardless I sure hope it doesn't get that bad.
And the govt. sucks. It took the death of 7 Canadians for them to consider "Hey maybe we should get our people out?"
My 2 cents...
#45
Originally posted by Bruce Fee
Simpler form: I think you should keep your ignorant views on ignorant views to yourself because no one really cares about your ignorant view.
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it is just such a shame so many innocent people are dragged into other peoples self-serving greed, ambition, and lust for power.
Simpler form: I think you should keep your ignorant views on ignorant views to yourself because no one really cares about your ignorant view.
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it is just such a shame so many innocent people are dragged into other peoples self-serving greed, ambition, and lust for power.
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Originally posted by Bruce Fee
UN is not a ***** to the US.... As they did say no to Iraq, and we saw Georgie B **** all over them... UN merely has the same ideals that the US gov't has on official paper....
refering to people as animals shows an uncontrollable bias.
i do believe we're all animals. nothing more, nothing less. just a little better at expressing ourselves and probably smarter than most.
I think it would be good to have Canadian peacekeepers here, in Canada. They could patrol downtown Toronto, Jane and Finch, Galloway, Malvern, any other high crime shootout areas.
UN is not a ***** to the US.... As they did say no to Iraq, and we saw Georgie B **** all over them... UN merely has the same ideals that the US gov't has on official paper....
refering to people as animals shows an uncontrollable bias.
i do believe we're all animals. nothing more, nothing less. just a little better at expressing ourselves and probably smarter than most.
I think it would be good to have Canadian peacekeepers here, in Canada. They could patrol downtown Toronto, Jane and Finch, Galloway, Malvern, any other high crime shootout areas.
Your opinions too are clouded and completely biased. I'll give you credit for the few (very few) examples you brought in from which apparently read up on in YOUR history books. Good for you!!!
I just find it very hard to believe anyone who would defend a nation that gives its women and children weapons, teaches them intense hatred towards another group while using them as human shields like the cowards that they are. Wars are fought face to face if your side is not willing to come out from their places of operations (i.e. family residences and hospitals etc.) then you better ****ing believe that we are going to go in and get the ones responsible for the killings and the kidnappings.
It is not a matter of only getting theose responsable because we will never get all of them. Terror is taught and ****** and people are quite easily fooled at the people who are capable
#46
Originally posted by Bruce Fee
The Chinese people are currently taking over Canada peacefully and properly... why couldn't they have done the same?
The Chinese people are currently taking over Canada peacefully and properly... why couldn't they have done the same?
wait til the chinese army decides to go to war.. they are gonna take over way more then just canada
u never hear anything bout them and someday when we do its over! if every person in china spits 1x they can drown the whole US hha
#48
Originally posted by Bruce Fee
Simpler form: I think you should keep your ignorant views on ignorant views to yourself because no one really cares about your ignorant view.
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it is just such a shame so many innocent people are dragged into other peoples self-serving greed, ambition, and lust for power.
Simpler form: I think you should keep your ignorant views on ignorant views to yourself because no one really cares about your ignorant view.
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it is just such a shame so many innocent people are dragged into other peoples self-serving greed, ambition, and lust for power.
Your the ignorant one here!
Mind your manners if you have any
#49
Originally posted by jcrelaj
And do you think that people actually care about your views.
Your the ignorant one here!
Mind your manners if you have any
And do you think that people actually care about your views.
Your the ignorant one here!
Mind your manners if you have any
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Originally posted by Deviant Sol
I just find it very hard to believe anyone who would defend a nation that gives its women and children weapons, teaches them intense hatred towards another group while using them as human shields like the cowards that they are.
I just find it very hard to believe anyone who would defend a nation that gives its women and children weapons, teaches them intense hatred towards another group while using them as human shields like the cowards that they are.
Originally posted by Deviant Sol
Wars are fought face to face if your side is not willing to come out from their places of operations (i.e. family residences and hospitals etc.) then you better ****ing believe that we are going to go in and get the ones responsible for the killings and the kidnappings.
Wars are fought face to face if your side is not willing to come out from their places of operations (i.e. family residences and hospitals etc.) then you better ****ing believe that we are going to go in and get the ones responsible for the killings and the kidnappings.
I have a feeling Israel also wants some land, not just two people.
My grandfather didn't read about his parents being murdered in a history book.
#50
Bruce...in my earlier post...i never suggested that the whole of canada or the nation should think the same way i do..nor i said we should send our troops over there...so stop making stories here and dont try to be mr. know it all.....
i always thought that you reason very good but i dont know why your comments here are so contradictory and ignorant...there is no reason for you to get personal with anyone here...
this is the perfect example of the flip side of multi-culturalism...if one group out of the community has a problem..leave them alone and let them deal with their own problems...instead of trying to reason and really understand what the problem is. you dont belong to that community so let them say or do whatever.....is this how a nation unites.
in response to JP's comments....being an ally is one thing and being able to conduct a foreign policy that distinugishes between right and wrong is another.....we were allies with US when they invaded Iraq but we didnt side cuz we had a level headed administration who respected the UN resolution and didnt went to a phony war. so you dont have to do wrong just cuz you are an ally in my opinion.
the real axis of evil is the US and Israel governments....this event will go down in history as a clear indicator that they dont give crap about the peace process in the middle east.
Bruce...you know history...and you know about the time the national socialists took over germany and started to massacre jews (1932 onwards)...that situation is not very different from whats going on right now.....
everybody ignored the plight of the jews around the world (US, Canada and UK included) and turned their face away...while the ***** kept on munching them in places like Auschwitz....they were big..powerful aggressors who did whatever they want....Joseph Goebbles and Hitler ran an excellent propaganda against the jews...labelling them as scum and racially inferior. this kept on going on until 5 million jews later...they finally took action.
the same way....the muslim community is being labeled as a bad one by the media...if folks are fighting down there...they are doing it for their families and their property...and it is all justified.
i always thought that you reason very good but i dont know why your comments here are so contradictory and ignorant...there is no reason for you to get personal with anyone here...
this is the perfect example of the flip side of multi-culturalism...if one group out of the community has a problem..leave them alone and let them deal with their own problems...instead of trying to reason and really understand what the problem is. you dont belong to that community so let them say or do whatever.....is this how a nation unites.
in response to JP's comments....being an ally is one thing and being able to conduct a foreign policy that distinugishes between right and wrong is another.....we were allies with US when they invaded Iraq but we didnt side cuz we had a level headed administration who respected the UN resolution and didnt went to a phony war. so you dont have to do wrong just cuz you are an ally in my opinion.
the real axis of evil is the US and Israel governments....this event will go down in history as a clear indicator that they dont give crap about the peace process in the middle east.
Bruce...you know history...and you know about the time the national socialists took over germany and started to massacre jews (1932 onwards)...that situation is not very different from whats going on right now.....
everybody ignored the plight of the jews around the world (US, Canada and UK included) and turned their face away...while the ***** kept on munching them in places like Auschwitz....they were big..powerful aggressors who did whatever they want....Joseph Goebbles and Hitler ran an excellent propaganda against the jews...labelling them as scum and racially inferior. this kept on going on until 5 million jews later...they finally took action.
the same way....the muslim community is being labeled as a bad one by the media...if folks are fighting down there...they are doing it for their families and their property...and it is all justified.
#51
Originally posted by chillinit
Hey guys, everybody makes good points here. As for me, my mom is stuck over there now. Its a really tense situation. I pray that she will be back safely.
Here is a very interesting article that you guys can read up on.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...EFBED61924.htm
BTW...our PM Harper is unbelievable in his comments. Totally obsurb IMO. In the mean time, I pray that my mom is ok and the rest of my family.
Hey guys, everybody makes good points here. As for me, my mom is stuck over there now. Its a really tense situation. I pray that she will be back safely.
Here is a very interesting article that you guys can read up on.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...EFBED61924.htm
BTW...our PM Harper is unbelievable in his comments. Totally obsurb IMO. In the mean time, I pray that my mom is ok and the rest of my family.
#56
Jennifer, 72 at the time. goes to show that "truth" can be dynamic. So much for arguing anything interesting. I notice the post was editing, forgot that your post would move from 76 to 77? Good luck next time.
As usual, my primary goal here is to add fuel to the fire.
Salman, if Canada is involved, then so is the nation as a whole on paper. You don't see my point?
Stephen has no business commenting on what he thinks one country can do and one cannot. He is the one who is not involved.
Politicians sound like a bunch of losers at a club talking about who has whos back in a fight. You can never be surprised that the 'friend' you aren't close who keeps talking about having your back and willing to jump in without you saying anything, is likely the guy who will be eating a hotdog while you're at the back alley of the club getting kicked in the chest. He'll be right next to you if you have 15 of your friends while you're slamming some guys head into the wall.
The only reason why the ****'s were attacked is that they began to fear them and didn't want them to get too powerful. They were breaking a bunch of conditions of the peace treaty.
I'm not disagreeing with you on the axis of evil... it's not only them that are not interested in peace in the middleeast.. why would they? the US has always made money off of other peoples wars...
I don't know much about Hamas, but my understanding from the sheep media ie - television (I'm not too interested in politics that don't affect me), they are militant. Unless you believe the election to be rigged (would not be surprised - in any country) that means the majority of the population supports military action.
I also understand (not necessarily as fact) that Lebanon's muslims are split into the peaceful group, and the Hezbolla (sp?) who are very militant, and a civil war between both groups could happen at any time.
My information on that comes from people with family there.
As long as people feel the need to force their views on others, there will be war. It's sad to say, I don't think this will ever happen.
If "god" wanted to force people into worship and following specific moral values, humanity would not have the choice. If "god" doesn't force people to worship, neither should people.
If deeply religious people understood this simple concept, humanity would be able to get along much better.
by the way, the statistics on **** murders at UofT in the war class I took were hitler killed about 6 millions Jews and 12 million Slovaks.
As usual, my primary goal here is to add fuel to the fire.
Salman, if Canada is involved, then so is the nation as a whole on paper. You don't see my point?
Stephen has no business commenting on what he thinks one country can do and one cannot. He is the one who is not involved.
Politicians sound like a bunch of losers at a club talking about who has whos back in a fight. You can never be surprised that the 'friend' you aren't close who keeps talking about having your back and willing to jump in without you saying anything, is likely the guy who will be eating a hotdog while you're at the back alley of the club getting kicked in the chest. He'll be right next to you if you have 15 of your friends while you're slamming some guys head into the wall.
The only reason why the ****'s were attacked is that they began to fear them and didn't want them to get too powerful. They were breaking a bunch of conditions of the peace treaty.
I'm not disagreeing with you on the axis of evil... it's not only them that are not interested in peace in the middleeast.. why would they? the US has always made money off of other peoples wars...
I don't know much about Hamas, but my understanding from the sheep media ie - television (I'm not too interested in politics that don't affect me), they are militant. Unless you believe the election to be rigged (would not be surprised - in any country) that means the majority of the population supports military action.
I also understand (not necessarily as fact) that Lebanon's muslims are split into the peaceful group, and the Hezbolla (sp?) who are very militant, and a civil war between both groups could happen at any time.
My information on that comes from people with family there.
As long as people feel the need to force their views on others, there will be war. It's sad to say, I don't think this will ever happen.
If "god" wanted to force people into worship and following specific moral values, humanity would not have the choice. If "god" doesn't force people to worship, neither should people.
If deeply religious people understood this simple concept, humanity would be able to get along much better.
by the way, the statistics on **** murders at UofT in the war class I took were hitler killed about 6 millions Jews and 12 million Slovaks.
#57
you guys all wish for PEACE!!!
Face it... what the BIBLE says is true, there will never be PEACE!!
its all unfolding and the end time is near!!!
all nations that surround Israel absolutly dispise them..
back in the bible days... Israel was always at war with the Philistines.. which is now who you all know as Palestine...
Face it guys,,,, there will NEVER be Peace in the middle east!
and knowing Israel as a very small country... i can bet any money this war that there in right now... They are winning! if they wanted to pound the hell out of hezbullah they would of but they are holding restraint!!!
i feel for those who have family there...
Face it... what the BIBLE says is true, there will never be PEACE!!
its all unfolding and the end time is near!!!
all nations that surround Israel absolutly dispise them..
back in the bible days... Israel was always at war with the Philistines.. which is now who you all know as Palestine...
Face it guys,,,, there will NEVER be Peace in the middle east!
and knowing Israel as a very small country... i can bet any money this war that there in right now... They are winning! if they wanted to pound the hell out of hezbullah they would of but they are holding restraint!!!
i feel for those who have family there...
#59
true say bruce...right this time. and if you simply compare the current situation vs. the way the world was before 9-11, you can see where we have come to in about five years.
you ever wonder why hezbollah and hamas are militants? or the way our media lables them...insurgents...terrorists....well..they have to be this way cuz they dont have a choice....isreal is a threat to the whole region over there...they have too much power and its war...kill or be killed but that is better than living in humilation.
and it all comes down to one thing...the illegal occuption. just let that go and peace will prevail.
i also pity the lack of unity among most muslim nations around in the ME area...specially the KSA. Their policies of appeasing the US while ignoring the current conflict will lead them to disaster one day.
you ever wonder why hezbollah and hamas are militants? or the way our media lables them...insurgents...terrorists....well..they have to be this way cuz they dont have a choice....isreal is a threat to the whole region over there...they have too much power and its war...kill or be killed but that is better than living in humilation.
and it all comes down to one thing...the illegal occuption. just let that go and peace will prevail.
i also pity the lack of unity among most muslim nations around in the ME area...specially the KSA. Their policies of appeasing the US while ignoring the current conflict will lead them to disaster one day.
#60
terrorists to some are heroes to other.
usually there isn't a 'good' side and a 'bad' sings of nations.. WWF wrestling is not reality....
when it comes down to us, usually both sides are 'bad'
ghandi lived with dignity.
tibetan monks live with dignity.
israel run by zionists is not an illegal occupation. there is no such thing as illegal on an international scale.
let all fundamental religion go, open your minds, and peace will prevail.
but i don't think it will.
people = ****
usually there isn't a 'good' side and a 'bad' sings of nations.. WWF wrestling is not reality....
when it comes down to us, usually both sides are 'bad'
ghandi lived with dignity.
tibetan monks live with dignity.
israel run by zionists is not an illegal occupation. there is no such thing as illegal on an international scale.
let all fundamental religion go, open your minds, and peace will prevail.
but i don't think it will.
people = ****