Matrix: Revolutions ------ ***warning***
07-Nov-2003, 12:36 PM
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maybe I misheard, or the girl I was with was blowing in my ear at the time.. 
but did any of you catch the architect refer to the orcale as 'mother' when he appeared at the end of the flick? I was like.. HUHH??
but did any of you catch the architect refer to the orcale as 'mother' when he appeared at the end of the flick? I was like.. HUHH??
08-Nov-2003, 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by SilverSiG
lol so noone has anything insighful to say??
lol so noone has anything insighful to say??
About what?
It was a good action flick, with some cheesy acting and some cheesier pseudo-philosophy. That's it, I'm afraid.
The director/writer brothers set themselves up for failure after the brilliance of The Matrix, a seminal movie work of art. As I said in another thread, they are talented writers, but no Dickens or Thackery. It takes real brilliance to make a story seamless and interesting over a seven hour stretch...
A fun movie, worth the time and admission, but nothing else...
08-Nov-2003, 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by BOND007
I WILL NEED TO SEE RELOADED AGAIN AND THEN REVOLUTIONS AGAIN TO UNDERSTAND THE POINT .....COMPLETELY...
I DID ENJOY THE MOVIE AS A FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT THOUGH
I WILL NEED TO SEE RELOADED AGAIN AND THEN REVOLUTIONS AGAIN TO UNDERSTAND THE POINT .....COMPLETELY...
I DID ENJOY THE MOVIE AS A FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT THOUGH
08-Nov-2003, 02:28 PM
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its a good movie
i get it noww
read this and it will hit ur head
Here we go with the basics.
Zion is real! The Matrix is not.
The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose.
The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again) but humans did not accept it as real so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).
The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.
The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus.
The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love.
Onto Revolutions:
Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith's behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.
Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system.
At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself. The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh?
For those that like to dig deeper, than note the biblical references throughout the series. Heck, the French Man (Merovigchian) is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect represents God - i.e. the creator of the world and its destroyer whenever things don't go as he wants. He even has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.
i get it noww
read this and it will hit ur head
Here we go with the basics.
Zion is real! The Matrix is not.
The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose.
The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again) but humans did not accept it as real so they just kept waking up. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).
The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again.
The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely (see part I where he is freaking out while interrogating Morpheous) and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus.
The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed. Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love.
Onto Revolutions:
Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened by Smith's behavior, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the HOPE that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right.
Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for PEACE as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system.
At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline - "Everything that has a beginning has an end," as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself. The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh?
For those that like to dig deeper, than note the biblical references throughout the series. Heck, the French Man (Merovigchian) is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect represents God - i.e. the creator of the world and its destroyer whenever things don't go as he wants. He even has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.
08-Nov-2003, 11:01 PM
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and smith is the anti-christ? interesting
sorry to get off topic but, point of clarification.. I thought christianity says the holy spirit is all knowing, but not omnicient (i.e. does NOT reside in all of us)
sorry to get off topic but, point of clarification.. I thought christianity says the holy spirit is all knowing, but not omnicient (i.e. does NOT reside in all of us)
09-Nov-2003, 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by chanyeehon
It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.
It's a deep trilogy if you PAY ATTENTION.
I found the last two rather 'shallow', actually..the first, a well-written, well-filmed movie. No more...
09-Nov-2003, 09:58 AM
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the movie sucked
i want my $14 back
i should have learned my lesson
the 3rd movie in any trilogy is terrible
maybe they should have made us wait another 4 years before releasing it
and what was with the 'rocky' inspired fight at the end with agent smith?
i want my $14 back
i should have learned my lesson
the 3rd movie in any trilogy is terrible
maybe they should have made us wait another 4 years before releasing it
and what was with the 'rocky' inspired fight at the end with agent smith?
09-Nov-2003, 11:02 AM
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I watched it yesterdie and at that part whenn Trinity dies, a guy in the theatre started having a seizure and just when he was on the ground and the guy from the theatre is helping him, the screen starts flashing really violently and he starts shaking even worse.
And I didn't get the last part with the architect the oracle and that little girl. What happened to the matrix? Where the machines go??...
And I didn't get the last part with the architect the oracle and that little girl. What happened to the matrix? Where the machines go??...
10-Nov-2003, 01:15 AM
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Gay
I just got back from seeing it, and got pulled over on the way home (check my other thread here in chit chat)...
And I was dissappointed. I thought there'd be more... I felt it went drastically downhill after Trinity died.
Oh well, but it certainly tied up all the loose ends, in one way or another.
I just got back from seeing it, and got pulled over on the way home (check my other thread here in chit chat)...
And I was dissappointed. I thought there'd be more... I felt it went drastically downhill after Trinity died.
Oh well, but it certainly tied up all the loose ends, in one way or another.
10-Nov-2003, 06:26 PM
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the French Man (Merovigchian) is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time.
10-Nov-2003, 07:29 PM
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They pressed the help button in the elevator. But the p was mangled in help so it looks like it said "hell".
(Get it going to the the Merovingian/Devil in hell....)
IMO the first was by far the best. I hated the second because it seemed so commercial But in a whole I love the series, not so much for the acting and effects, but rather the story as a whole, and all the interpretive meanings.
(Get it going to the the Merovingian/Devil in hell....)
IMO the first was by far the best. I hated the second because it seemed so commercial But in a whole I love the series, not so much for the acting and effects, but rather the story as a whole, and all the interpretive meanings.
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