Murder at the funeral
20-Nov-2005, 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by whosyodaddy16
have you ever taken a course on criminology or profiling? i have
all i did was lay out the info i have and questioned why it is that way. lets say the population of toronto is 30% black. y is it that 100% of the shootings i have personally seen have involoved that community? (not including the white people who shot themselves) y is it that the mental health people i deal with live all in the same area. ie tuxedo court, gordon ridge, scarborough golf club, gilder.
no just everyday i go to work. when im not working i hide in suburbia where my only worry is getting stuck behind a farm tractor. have you ever had someone shot in the head come running towards you with their brain leaking out there ear and collapse in your arms? have you ever had a knife pulled on you while your working? have you ever had to have HIV, HEP A AND B tests done because some crack head spit in your face when you were only try to help them? i dont get my info from the media. i get my info from what the media misses.
have you ever taken a course on criminology or profiling? i have
all i did was lay out the info i have and questioned why it is that way. lets say the population of toronto is 30% black. y is it that 100% of the shootings i have personally seen have involoved that community? (not including the white people who shot themselves) y is it that the mental health people i deal with live all in the same area. ie tuxedo court, gordon ridge, scarborough golf club, gilder.
no just everyday i go to work. when im not working i hide in suburbia where my only worry is getting stuck behind a farm tractor. have you ever had someone shot in the head come running towards you with their brain leaking out there ear and collapse in your arms? have you ever had a knife pulled on you while your working? have you ever had to have HIV, HEP A AND B tests done because some crack head spit in your face when you were only try to help them? i dont get my info from the media. i get my info from what the media misses.
20-Nov-2005, 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by ERTW
and you sound like a victim of self-imposed individualism..
perhaps you care to enlighten us as to what the "real" issues here are? you've very quick to dismiss other's opinions, let's hear some of yours in return. I think telling us what you think is the right opinion is worth more than you telling us that other opinons are wrong.
and you sound like a victim of self-imposed individualism..
perhaps you care to enlighten us as to what the "real" issues here are? you've very quick to dismiss other's opinions, let's hear some of yours in return. I think telling us what you think is the right opinion is worth more than you telling us that other opinons are wrong.
20-Nov-2005, 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
You still fail to conceptualize what I am saying. There is an epidemic in the black community but the question is do you know why?
You still fail to conceptualize what I am saying. There is an epidemic in the black community but the question is do you know why?
I said it's come to the point that the stereotype of a gangster is slowly becoming more accurate. Actually accurate is a terrible word, common is what I mean. It's more common to see a young black man use a gun to kill over another young man of any other ethnicity.
And no I dont know why. You don't either, BA in criminology or not, no one can pin point where the problem has started and why it is still here. I blame it on the glorified image of a street thug (it's TRUE), feeling of power when holding a weapon or in a gang, no goal's in life, friends and most of all parenting. Because it's your parents who teach you right from wrong.
How can we fix the problem? Getting the guns off the street is a slow step in the right direction.
20-Nov-2005, 10:02 PM
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Well we all know it is more common. Like I've stated before, if you put the lower class into the same geographic region, criminality is more likely. And it is evident from what goes on. I've already outlined the reasons why this problem exists. A) poor use of police resources b) socioeconomic conditions c) media glorification
Please try and rebuttle what I am saying.
Please try and rebuttle what I am saying.
20-Nov-2005, 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by hdave
i live in rexdale, and thats why im still boss round here
when ppl see me comin they run, when cops know im around the hide, when women know im around they get nekked
i live in rexdale, and thats why im still boss round here
when ppl see me comin they run, when cops know im around the hide, when women know im around they get nekked
20-Nov-2005, 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
Well we all know it is more common. Like I've stated before, if you put the lower class into the same geographic region, criminality is more likely. And it is evident from what goes on. I've already outlined the reasons why this problem exists. A) poor use of police resources b) socioeconomic conditions c) media glorification
Please try and rebuttle what I am saying.
Well we all know it is more common. Like I've stated before, if you put the lower class into the same geographic region, criminality is more likely. And it is evident from what goes on. I've already outlined the reasons why this problem exists. A) poor use of police resources b) socioeconomic conditions c) media glorification
Please try and rebuttle what I am saying.
20-Nov-2005, 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by stock94block
You said that there is a problem because of the socioeconomic conditions. You implied that any race would be gun toting individuals if we were all struggling with 'hard times.'
I said it's come to the point that the stereotype of a gangster is slowly becoming more accurate. Actually accurate is a terrible word, common is what I mean. It's more common to see a young black man use a gun to kill over another young man of any other ethnicity.
And no I dont know why. You don't either, BA in criminology or not, no one can pin point where the problem has started and why it is still here. I blame it on the glorified image of a street thug (it's TRUE), feeling of power when holding a weapon or in a gang, no goal's in life, friends and most of all parenting. Because it's your parents who teach you right from wrong.
How can we fix the problem? Getting the guns off the street is a slow step in the right direction.
You said that there is a problem because of the socioeconomic conditions. You implied that any race would be gun toting individuals if we were all struggling with 'hard times.'
I said it's come to the point that the stereotype of a gangster is slowly becoming more accurate. Actually accurate is a terrible word, common is what I mean. It's more common to see a young black man use a gun to kill over another young man of any other ethnicity.
And no I dont know why. You don't either, BA in criminology or not, no one can pin point where the problem has started and why it is still here. I blame it on the glorified image of a street thug (it's TRUE), feeling of power when holding a weapon or in a gang, no goal's in life, friends and most of all parenting. Because it's your parents who teach you right from wrong.
How can we fix the problem? Getting the guns off the street is a slow step in the right direction.
Only the people in the community can stop this problem, they have to stand up and stop pointing fingers elsewhere and take a look at what they do at home. Take their blinders off and stop saying "Not my kid, he is a role model." However, they would rather suffer in silence for fear of retribution, or fear that the bad apple may be in their own house.
Police cannot do this alone, and there will always be guns on the street.
20-Nov-2005, 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
Well we all know it is more common. Like I've stated before, if you put the lower class into the same geographic region, criminality is more likely. And it is evident from what goes on. I've already outlined the reasons why this problem exists. A) poor use of police resources b) socioeconomic conditions c) media glorification
Please try and rebuttle what I am saying.
Well we all know it is more common. Like I've stated before, if you put the lower class into the same geographic region, criminality is more likely. And it is evident from what goes on. I've already outlined the reasons why this problem exists. A) poor use of police resources b) socioeconomic conditions c) media glorification
Please try and rebuttle what I am saying.
You honestly believe that proper use of policing, society paying big dollars for these people to live comfortably, and lack of media attention would solve the problem??? Thats naive, the problems would still be there, we just wouldn't hear about them.
What we need is tougher laws on crime, and less governance of law abiding citizens (heaven fobid you smoke or own a pit bull, or even worse BOTH)
20-Nov-2005, 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by electronblue
So you believe that responsibility lies in Government to fix the problem.
You honestly believe that proper use of policing, society paying big dollars for these people to live comfortably, and lack of media attention would solve the problem??? Thats naive, the problems would still be there, we just wouldn't hear about them.
What we need is tougher laws on crime, and less governance of law abiding citizens (heaven fobid you smoke or own a pit bull, or even worse BOTH)
So you believe that responsibility lies in Government to fix the problem.
You honestly believe that proper use of policing, society paying big dollars for these people to live comfortably, and lack of media attention would solve the problem??? Thats naive, the problems would still be there, we just wouldn't hear about them.
What we need is tougher laws on crime, and less governance of law abiding citizens (heaven fobid you smoke or own a pit bull, or even worse BOTH)
20-Nov-2005, 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
How do you expect an anomic community who is plagued by crime and low income to suddenly take a stand?
How do you expect an anomic community who is plagued by crime and low income to suddenly take a stand?
There are many things they can do, but they prefer to blame their conditions instead!!! You reap what you sew...
20-Nov-2005, 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
How do you expect an anomic community who is plagued by crime and low income to suddenly take a stand?
How do you expect an anomic community who is plagued by crime and low income to suddenly take a stand?
I cant rebut anything because socioeconomic conditions can be too many things, and I dont know what you mean by poor use of police resources....and I agree with the media glorification 100%
20-Nov-2005, 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
tougher laws on crime? lol... let me guess you support capital punishment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tougher laws on crime? lol... let me guess you support capital punishment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then what do you suggest. Everyone seems to have an answer for what is wrong with society, but I don't hear any suggestions as to what needs to be done.
So, what would you do? Or what do you think needs to be done?
20-Nov-2005, 11:31 PM
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Okay so we expect these communities to take a stand against crime. Umm, why hasn't that occurred already? It's easier said than done. I agree that there should be harsher sentences for specific crimes; however, most individuals in prison are recidivists so it shows that prison is not the answer. I'll respond tomorrow with some more discussion but I have to go study lol...
