imported_hdave

yep. some kids are all good and stuff around their parents..

but as soon as anyone like that is around, they are all of a sudden they act like they are the most dangerous people on the planet

B18C5er

Ya, i have a friend or two like that

imported_hdave

me too

imported_Zyepher

Those are called oakville kid's.

Double_B

And again, parent's may "think" they are doing a good job, kids pretend to be good, but do they really pay attention to what is going on? Do they really listen to their kids, really ask, how is their day going?

I hope to god that when my kids become teenagers, they will still talk to me and tell me what is going on in their lives and trust that they can come to me about anything.


Something just came to mind, did you hear about the parent that got arrested because she was trying to relate and be "cool" with her kids by having a sex party with booze?

I really believe that some parent's just have no clue and in this day and age where both parents mostly work, you really need to spent and pay a lot of attention to your children and try to be their parent first before being their best friend.

imported_rbjeepthing

It seems to me that some of the black community has a "Group Mentality" anyone who has studied law would know what I'm talking about.

LEITNER

parents make a big difference like having a mom and dad. the break down in the familly unit is a big cause of these problems. i can tell you that watching the kids that come into my house with my kids i know which ones have 2 parents and which ones dont . i have 7 year olds at sleep overs asking to watch familly guy and other shows of that type, wtf? i wouldnt watch that trash but kids are. i take great care of what my kids watch because garbage goes in thier head and garbage spews out thier mouths. it isnt all the womans fault, i can say that men need to be responsible for thier actions, if you were willing to stick it in then pay for the consequenses 9 months later when your kid comes out. i hate the term baby mother, and that i get asked if my wife and kids have the same last name as me. if we made family a priority things would get better. finaly GANGSTER RAP is a VERY VERY bad influence on kids. what kind of person uses terms like bitches and hoes and eat a dick and i popped a cap in his ***? vulger. maybe rappers needed to have fathers to kick thier asses when they were young? this is for the g'z and this is for the hustlas. GROW UP!!

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

I agree with whoever said the problem is gonna solve itself, either the ppl involved will kill each other off, which would be great! or things will just kool down.

When it comes down to it, it's not a police problem, it has nothing to do with the gov't. . . it has to do with the parents!!!

for **** sakes, half these kids don't have a parental figure in their life, teaching them as they go, what is right & what is wrong.

Most likely they are families just getting by, parents or parent is constantly outta the house working. . .not paying attention to the childs activities. . .

I remember when i was like friggin 10 even 15. . yah when i was 15, i was only allowed to go around the ****in block when i went outside to play. . . of course i went further, but there was always that fear that i would be caught by my parents and beat to ****. .LOL

Parents now a days especially in poverty area's are slack. . .

I hear about kids now a days drinking at the age of 12. . doin sexual acts at the age of like 12 at all ages clubs etc. . .

man i took my first drink at 16, and was scared ****less to go home the next morning!!!

Parents need to instill that fear again upon their children. . . and monitor their activities closely. . .

I know if i ever have children. . . you best believe they will get beat if they do something wrong. . . and i will instill fear upon them. . .

but at the sametime i'll let them know that they can come to me . . and tell me things. . . how?! i don't know. . i'll ask my parents how they did it with me..when the time is right

LEITNER

i was 18 with an 11 o'clock curfew (SP) and im a guy. im open with my kids but sometimes my kids have been made fun of for having a mom and dad that show love for them. how is that good? the best thing that happened to my life was having a mom and dad who cared and kicked my *** when i merrited it

Double_B

The fact that they want a curfew for kids at night says it all. Police shouldn't be putting out a curfew, parents should be! What the hell are young teens doing out at night or early in the morning during the week? It blows my mind what kids these days get away with and the lack of parenting that goes on. I agree with Steve on the point of men getting sexually involved, and not being their for the kids they may have with god know how many women/girls. We could talk about this all day, but there needs to be something done and it's more than getting more cops and protection, we need to go further than that. If the community can get themselves out of their ******** and start doing something for themselves with their kids and some outside help, some of these area's may have a chance.

Also still agree with harsher punishment for crimes committed, even for a young age, or keep the YOA but it has to be modified drastically.

imported_hdave

Yea, i think punishesments arent hard enough

some people dont care if they comit a crime, and arent even scared.

Double_B

Exactly. Not only that, I have seen how some kids, not even teenagers in shopping malls showing their parent's no respect. I heard a boy call his mother stupid in front of a whole crowd. And what did she do? Nothing. Just kept walking as this kid verbally abused his mother.

Things need to change people!


All I have to say is my kids are not followers, do not do what everyone else does, have their own idea's and respect authority and question things when they feel they are wrong. All I can hope is when they get older they carry on whatever good I have passed on, and they think for themselves and question anything they do not understand.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Hey who cares, love your children, in the end they will be greatful man and that's no joke, they will eventually realize what's happening around them, maybe not now and they will get pissed at you at times, but when it comes down to it....late at night they will most likely tell themselves how much they love you and care about you. They might not tell u directly and u may never know . . but just know that if u still have a good relationship with them, they know and u should know, that u've done a lot right in their life.

I just turned 20 recently. . .

& i've been made fun of countless times for having parents who care about me.

I still live under my parents roof and abide by their rules and to this day sometimes get made fun of for having to go home, or for having to spend time with family or w/e.

But you know what, at least i have a family who cares, who support the things i do and will always have my back.

I see some of my friends now, who have grown up and their lives have gone to complete **** and it makes me realize why my parents "loved" and still do "love" me.

I hope to god that i'm as good as my parents are when and if i ever become a parent.

imported_hdave

u think thats bad?
ive seen some litte boy (under 10) call his mom a ****ing bitch (in another language) and saying a lot of **** like that to his mom and dad and older brother

imported_Bruce Fee

i don't think i'm anything special.

i listened to NWA when I was in grade 2. My older cousin would copy the tapes for me.

Again, entertainment vs reality. Two very different things.

This is my problem with political correctness and all the garbage. People need to learn to 'take it easy'... relax.. understand not everything is serious.. (do you have any evidence to show that life is serious?)..

entertainment is not what should be giving you your values and ethics.

sex party with booze... that's some new wave parenting. stupid hippie idiot.

i'm not sure i understand the comment about the black community having a group mentality.

don't we all? in highschool my close friends were brown but when i was thrown into a room with people i didn't know.. i'd go 'make friends' with the kids with dyed hair and piercings. we all naturally look for a common ground... many need something to attach a sense of belonging.

anyone who murders to be cool... doesn't deserve anything but to used on medical testing and/or have their organs harvested for people who can use them.

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i never said the word f.ck in front of my parents. when i'm out, sometimes it makes up 35% of the words I use in total.

stock94block

I was never really sheltered from bad music/movies/tv growing up. My parents taught me right from wrong and I know where to draw the line. I used to (and still do ) play tons of blood filled video games, listen to the most violent rap and metal music, watch violent movies and so on. But I never wanted to make that fictional world my own, because i knew its not reality. That seems to be the problem now, kids today want to make their life into a sex drugs and money filled story book. The ones who have been brought up proper know how to direct their life, the others dont live so long.

example: typical mob movie, one guy operates a drug ring, kills a bunch of people (without getting caught, how convenient!) becomes rich, gets a hot wife, goes out with a bang and becomes a legend. Some kids think "Damn! i want to do that, thats going to be me."

or just turn on the TV and watch a rap vid. Lots of cash thrown in your face that you do not have, lots of nice cars, ladies whatever. The story behind the guy is he's a gang member, shot a lot of people, didnt go to school...now he's loaded. Even though thats 99.9999% not real story behind it, kids eat that crap up and think they should start up a life like that now, to end up like 'that guy' 10 years from now.

B18C5er

Couldn't have said it better myself.

imported_kane2k

Man, the culture that is developing is just plain sad. The problem is that a gun can give a moron the authority that he could never earn.

Anyone saying that it's just the way it is in Toronto is dumb. I live downtown, actually pretty close to Parkdale, and there are no problems with crime in my life. The problems are in the suburbs where you get these little bastards (literally in most cases), trying to be cool by emulating some dumb thug culture crap. That's how they earn respect and it gives them a power trip.

The key is taking away the respect.

Change the YOA to include a three strikes policy. If you commit two crimes as a young offender then I would say you're actually a veteran offender and you're going to adult court and adult jail the next time you commit a crime.

Someone gets caught with a gun? Put him in stocks on the corner of his street with a few barrels of rotten tomatoes and let him be publicly humiliated for a day before he goes to jail. Do it again when he comes out so that everyone remembers. Put pictures on the front pages of newspapers with his face covered in rotten tomato and hopefully tears streaming down his face. Get an interview underneath the picture with Bubba from cellblock B telling how he raped him every day in jail.

Change the gun laws, which looks like it might actually be done, and make sure that if someone gets caught with an illegal gun, they go to jail for a few years without parole. If they commit a crime with a gun, add 20 years to their sentence. If they kill someone send them to a hard labour camp for the rest of their lives. The northwest terroritories needs to get some roads built, these ******** need a lesson, I'd say it's a happy coincidence.

In other words, make it so that the gun that they think earns them respect will be the reason that they lose every bit of respect.

Nova_Dust

I have had all types of friends, but I know what needs to be done, and what shouldn't in the first place. The most influence I had on my life is probably picking up a cigarette and go with it. But even then, my father told me to hold off on it until I am 18. He caught me righthanded but talked senses to me. If you want to smoke, at least become an young adult and do so.

At the age of 18, the first thing I bought was a pack of smoke and since then, I had my licence to smoke. But I quitted on my own terms. I didn't smoke because someone told me not to and I wanted to be cool and rebilion. I understood the conquenses of potential sickness and I chosed to do so.

Parenting plays the biggest role, then comes teacher, then peer pressure. I think there is not one thing that my parents don't know about me; other than some of the money I spent on my car parts.

yO

kane2k... shaming approach... i agree.