new canadian government
#21
Originally posted by civicnation
hard for a minority government to implement too much change so there no need to fear drastic changes because likely everything will stay as it is in it's present state
hard for a minority government to implement too much change so there no need to fear drastic changes because likely everything will stay as it is in it's present state
Prime Minister Harper needs to really follow his platform for any chance of winning a majority next election. He also needs to keep the extreme social conservatives quiet.
#23
i've been a conservative supporter since i could vote.
I can see more changes with a conservative minority then if a liberal one came into power again.
+ IMO its better to to have 1 of each party (conservative / liberal ) in power either on a federal or provincial level, not 1 party on both levels.
I can see more changes with a conservative minority then if a liberal one came into power again.
+ IMO its better to to have 1 of each party (conservative / liberal ) in power either on a federal or provincial level, not 1 party on both levels.
#25
Originally posted by Bruce Fee
isn't the bloq right wing and friends with conservatives? the two of them have a majority over the liberals and ndp.... no?
i liked mike harris. let's see what this guy does.
isn't the bloq right wing and friends with conservatives? the two of them have a majority over the liberals and ndp.... no?
i liked mike harris. let's see what this guy does.
I agree, I think mike harris did a good job also, despite what the public school teachers had us believe...
#28
the BQ is conservative but they are also all about quebec if it isn't good for quebec they won't go for it. this is an issue for Harper who is all about the west. Also the fact that most of the ground harper made up in Quebec was at the expense of the BQ I don't think the BQ can really support the Conservatives all that much. of course a few things will be passed with the support of the BQ like the GST thing. but the liberals and NDP will still be a large force to deal with. not all seats are always filled in the house ... the good thing is all the guys in Ottawa will have to earn their pay by sitting in their seats in the house.
#29
In my opinion nothing really changed except the title. Overall with the minority goverment I don't expect to see any major changes. I hope some of what Harper promised will be implemented, but given his probable short term in office it will be quite difficult. Although I didn't vote for him, best of luck Harper! I hope something positive will come of all this.
#30
Originally posted by czeto
I'm scared for this country now...
I'm scared for this country now...
I think its a good change, the Liberals have been in power a long time now and its time to hand it over and see what the Conservatives can do (if anything) for us. Like a couple people are already predicting, if things dont go over well there will be an election in 1.5-2.5 years and we can all make a decision if power should be shifted back to the liberals or another party.
#31
yeah, i give it another year, 2 at most.
i doubt harper will be able to do most of the things promised during the election because it is a minority gov't. i think he knew that and played his cards right. now even if he doesn't lower the gst, he can say he tried to but couldn't b/c he doesn't have enough seats.
i must admit that i was extremely afraid of harper and still am, however i'm starting to see the situation a little differently. with harper in power, atleast for now, the west has shut up about leaving canada and quebec is paying full attention to us. if harper is careful, he may be able to come out of this with a stronger, more unified canada by including the west (who feel left out) and giving quebec the attention they desire.
my immediate concerns however, is his stance on same-sex marriages and the womens right to an abortion. oh, and whether he'll be putting mike harris' goons into cabinet positions.
i doubt harper will be able to do most of the things promised during the election because it is a minority gov't. i think he knew that and played his cards right. now even if he doesn't lower the gst, he can say he tried to but couldn't b/c he doesn't have enough seats.
i must admit that i was extremely afraid of harper and still am, however i'm starting to see the situation a little differently. with harper in power, atleast for now, the west has shut up about leaving canada and quebec is paying full attention to us. if harper is careful, he may be able to come out of this with a stronger, more unified canada by including the west (who feel left out) and giving quebec the attention they desire.
my immediate concerns however, is his stance on same-sex marriages and the womens right to an abortion. oh, and whether he'll be putting mike harris' goons into cabinet positions.
#32
Originally posted by rrspexpress
my immediate concerns however, is his stance on same-sex marriages and the womens right to an abortion. oh, and whether he'll be putting mike harris' goons into cabinet positions.
my immediate concerns however, is his stance on same-sex marriages and the womens right to an abortion. oh, and whether he'll be putting mike harris' goons into cabinet positions.
#33
its surprising how many idiots are out there that think coservatives "are going to mess up everything like last time"
i have a few friends who dont really know much at all about this kind of stuff (only from heresay from other idiots and a little bit of news)
lol one of my friends said he can't beleive how stupid coservative voters are.
i have a few friends who dont really know much at all about this kind of stuff (only from heresay from other idiots and a little bit of news)
lol one of my friends said he can't beleive how stupid coservative voters are.
#34
Originally posted by hdave
its surprising how many idiots are out there that think coservatives "are going to mess up everything like last time"
i have a few friends who dont really know much at all about this kind of stuff (only from heresay from other idiots and a little bit of news)
lol one of my friends said he can't beleive how stupid coservative voters are.
its surprising how many idiots are out there that think coservatives "are going to mess up everything like last time"
i have a few friends who dont really know much at all about this kind of stuff (only from heresay from other idiots and a little bit of news)
lol one of my friends said he can't beleive how stupid coservative voters are.
After 13 years of running the country i believe its about time to let someone else have a shot.
#36
Originally posted by hdave
its surprising how many idiots are out there that think coservatives "are going to mess up everything like last time"
its surprising how many idiots are out there that think coservatives "are going to mess up everything like last time"
I'm really holding him to his promises of deportation of immigrant criminals, closing all of the loopholes in child pornography cases, and the so called partnership with the rest of canada. Its sad to say but people living in other provinces feel left out thinking that ontario = canada
#37
its just that the Conservatives are getting rid of alot, importantly the nationwide daycare program and Kyoto to start.
PC + Bloc has more then 50% of the seats, so even with members missing, as long as Harper gives some things to the Bloc....he will get his **** passed. Bloc dosen't care about Canada, only Quebec, so the Bloc will not vote against **** he wants as long as the Bloc gets a deal...this is not a good thing, when Liberals and NDP care about the rest of Canada.
I say **** the Bloc, I want to see a party called FTB (**** the bloc) who'd only goal is too vote against everything the Bloc wants. If Quebec wants their interests met, do it the same way Ontario, BC, AB, etc does.
I just hope Harper keeps cities in mind like Toronto, etc and dosen't **** up to many things. Bottom line, we are ****ed either way. Harper is an idiot and Bush will like him, Martin is a liar and lead a crooked gov't, Layton will spend like mad on social programs...not exactly a bad thing.
We'll be voting again in 1-1.5 years anyways.
Oh, and I'd like to see proportional representation, it'd mean more fair seats per votes.
PC + Bloc has more then 50% of the seats, so even with members missing, as long as Harper gives some things to the Bloc....he will get his **** passed. Bloc dosen't care about Canada, only Quebec, so the Bloc will not vote against **** he wants as long as the Bloc gets a deal...this is not a good thing, when Liberals and NDP care about the rest of Canada.
I say **** the Bloc, I want to see a party called FTB (**** the bloc) who'd only goal is too vote against everything the Bloc wants. If Quebec wants their interests met, do it the same way Ontario, BC, AB, etc does.
I just hope Harper keeps cities in mind like Toronto, etc and dosen't **** up to many things. Bottom line, we are ****ed either way. Harper is an idiot and Bush will like him, Martin is a liar and lead a crooked gov't, Layton will spend like mad on social programs...not exactly a bad thing.
We'll be voting again in 1-1.5 years anyways.
Oh, and I'd like to see proportional representation, it'd mean more fair seats per votes.
#38
Originally posted by alwaysoverkill
I say **** the Bloc, I want to see a party called FTB (**** the bloc) who'd only goal is too vote against everything the Bloc wants. If Quebec wants their interests met, do it the same way Ontario, BC, AB, etc does.
I say **** the Bloc, I want to see a party called FTB (**** the bloc) who'd only goal is too vote against everything the Bloc wants. If Quebec wants their interests met, do it the same way Ontario, BC, AB, etc does.
#39
Originally posted by alwaysoverkill
Oh, and I'd like to see proportional representation, it'd mean more fair seats per votes.
Oh, and I'd like to see proportional representation, it'd mean more fair seats per votes.
if we had all seats decided on by the popular vote the Bloc would only have 15% of the seats and basically be a fringe party. We'd see parties like the Green party have a few seats.
of course the down side is no Independants would get to sit int he house and where do you draw the line on whether you get a seat or not? your party might get enough votes for 0.9 of a seat.. does that mean it gets rounded up or you get to sit out.
ohhh well if this was the case Liberals and Tories would be closer in seat count NDP would have more seats and the bloc less and the green party would have a few seats too.
#40
Originally posted by alwaysoverkill
its just that the Conservatives are getting rid of alot, importantly the nationwide daycare program and Kyoto to start.
its just that the Conservatives are getting rid of alot, importantly the nationwide daycare program and Kyoto to start.
We never really followed Kyoto anyways, just claimed too, bad mouthed the americans for not, when really we were jsut as bad....