Obama What Niqqa!!!!!!!!!!!
06-Nov-2008, 03:31 AM
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06-Nov-2008, 11:24 AM
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06-Nov-2008, 01:40 PM
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I saw that, but now its like a part deux.
Anyways. As far as the abortion thing, I would have to see the full details before I say anything on that. I can't believe that the US government would allow any party to pass something that makes doctors mandatory to do even if it's against their beliefs. There is a lot of misinformation out there.
06-Nov-2008, 02:12 PM
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On Oct. 7, 2007, Sen. Barack Obama spoke to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund and promised, "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing I'll do."
What is the Freedom of Choice Act? It is the most sweeping pro-abortion legislation ever proposed in the United States.
In a letter dated Sept. 19 to members of Congress, Philadelphia's Justin Cardinal Rigali rightly warned:
"Despite its deceptive title, FOCA would deprive the American people in all 50 states of the freedom they now have to enact modest restraints and regulations on the abortion industry. FOCA would coerce all Americans into subsidizing and promoting abortion with their tax dollars. And FOCA would counteract any and all sincere efforts by government to reduce abortions in our country.
"The operative language of FOCA is twofold. First it creates a 'fundamental right' to abortion throughout the nine months of pregnancy, including a right to abort a fully developed child in the final weeks for undefined "health" reasons. No government body at any level would be able to "deny or interfere with" this newly created federal right. Second, it forbids government at all levels to "discriminate" against the exercise of this right "in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information." For the first time, abortion on demand would be a national entitlement that government must condone and promote in all public programs affecting pregnant women," said the cardinal.
It is clear the FOCA raises abortion to what it calls a "fundamental right." Yet it is not clear if Catholics realize the threat that Mr. Obama poses to the unborn, to believing Catholics in the medical profession, and to Catholic hospitals across the nation.
Michael Moses, legal analyst of the United States Council of Catholic Bishops called it a "radical measure" that will "go way beyond Roe [vs. Wade]." The language is so sweeping that it will wipe out any state's "conscience" clause, which is the law that allows hospitals, doctors and nurses to abstain from taking part in abortion for reasons of conscience. If abortion is a "fundamental right", according to FOCA, then every hospital must provide it.
The net result, as one writer noted, is "President Obama and his congressional supermajority would force every Christian hospital, doctor or nurse to abandon their faith or go out of business." Under FOCA, believing Christians could be banned from the hospital industry (and apostolate) by federal law.
What is the Freedom of Choice Act? It is the most sweeping pro-abortion legislation ever proposed in the United States.
In a letter dated Sept. 19 to members of Congress, Philadelphia's Justin Cardinal Rigali rightly warned:
"Despite its deceptive title, FOCA would deprive the American people in all 50 states of the freedom they now have to enact modest restraints and regulations on the abortion industry. FOCA would coerce all Americans into subsidizing and promoting abortion with their tax dollars. And FOCA would counteract any and all sincere efforts by government to reduce abortions in our country.
"The operative language of FOCA is twofold. First it creates a 'fundamental right' to abortion throughout the nine months of pregnancy, including a right to abort a fully developed child in the final weeks for undefined "health" reasons. No government body at any level would be able to "deny or interfere with" this newly created federal right. Second, it forbids government at all levels to "discriminate" against the exercise of this right "in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information." For the first time, abortion on demand would be a national entitlement that government must condone and promote in all public programs affecting pregnant women," said the cardinal.
It is clear the FOCA raises abortion to what it calls a "fundamental right." Yet it is not clear if Catholics realize the threat that Mr. Obama poses to the unborn, to believing Catholics in the medical profession, and to Catholic hospitals across the nation.
Michael Moses, legal analyst of the United States Council of Catholic Bishops called it a "radical measure" that will "go way beyond Roe [vs. Wade]." The language is so sweeping that it will wipe out any state's "conscience" clause, which is the law that allows hospitals, doctors and nurses to abstain from taking part in abortion for reasons of conscience. If abortion is a "fundamental right", according to FOCA, then every hospital must provide it.
The net result, as one writer noted, is "President Obama and his congressional supermajority would force every Christian hospital, doctor or nurse to abandon their faith or go out of business." Under FOCA, believing Christians could be banned from the hospital industry (and apostolate) by federal law.
06-Nov-2008, 02:24 PM
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Again, this is from where? You have cut and pasted your info, but not stated where you got it from and it is one source. I will research what you brought to the table and see what it is all about, but you have one suppose small quote from Obama, and we all know how they get twisted around.
06-Nov-2008, 02:30 PM
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On Oct. 7, 2007, Sen. Barack Obama spoke to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund and promised, "The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing I'll do."
What is the Freedom of Choice Act? It is the most sweeping pro-abortion legislation ever proposed in the United States.
In a letter dated Sept. 19 to members of Congress, Philadelphia's Justin Cardinal Rigali rightly warned:
"Despite its deceptive title, FOCA would deprive the American people in all 50 states of the freedom they now have to enact modest restraints and regulations on the abortion industry. FOCA would coerce all Americans into subsidizing and promoting abortion with their tax dollars. And FOCA would counteract any and all sincere efforts by government to reduce abortions in our country.
"The operative language of FOCA is twofold. First it creates a 'fundamental right' to abortion throughout the nine months of pregnancy, including a right to abort a fully developed child in the final weeks for undefined "health" reasons. No government body at any level would be able to "deny or interfere with" this newly created federal right. Second, it forbids government at all levels to "discriminate" against the exercise of this right "in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information." For the first time, abortion on demand would be a national entitlement that government must condone and promote in all public programs affecting pregnant women," said the cardinal.
It is clear the FOCA raises abortion to what it calls a "fundamental right." Yet it is not clear if Catholics realize the threat that Mr. Obama poses to the unborn, to believing Catholics in the medical profession, and to Catholic hospitals across the nation.
Michael Moses, legal analyst of the United States Council of Catholic Bishops called it a "radical measure" that will "go way beyond Roe [vs. Wade]." The language is so sweeping that it will wipe out any state's "conscience" clause, which is the law that allows hospitals, doctors and nurses to abstain from taking part in abortion for reasons of conscience. If abortion is a "fundamental right", according to FOCA, then every hospital must provide it.
The net result, as one writer noted, is "President Obama and his congressional supermajority would force every Christian hospital, doctor or nurse to abandon their faith or go out of business." Under FOCA, believing Christians could be banned from the hospital industry (and apostolate) by federal law.
What is the Freedom of Choice Act? It is the most sweeping pro-abortion legislation ever proposed in the United States.
In a letter dated Sept. 19 to members of Congress, Philadelphia's Justin Cardinal Rigali rightly warned:
"Despite its deceptive title, FOCA would deprive the American people in all 50 states of the freedom they now have to enact modest restraints and regulations on the abortion industry. FOCA would coerce all Americans into subsidizing and promoting abortion with their tax dollars. And FOCA would counteract any and all sincere efforts by government to reduce abortions in our country.
"The operative language of FOCA is twofold. First it creates a 'fundamental right' to abortion throughout the nine months of pregnancy, including a right to abort a fully developed child in the final weeks for undefined "health" reasons. No government body at any level would be able to "deny or interfere with" this newly created federal right. Second, it forbids government at all levels to "discriminate" against the exercise of this right "in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information." For the first time, abortion on demand would be a national entitlement that government must condone and promote in all public programs affecting pregnant women," said the cardinal.
It is clear the FOCA raises abortion to what it calls a "fundamental right." Yet it is not clear if Catholics realize the threat that Mr. Obama poses to the unborn, to believing Catholics in the medical profession, and to Catholic hospitals across the nation.
Michael Moses, legal analyst of the United States Council of Catholic Bishops called it a "radical measure" that will "go way beyond Roe [vs. Wade]." The language is so sweeping that it will wipe out any state's "conscience" clause, which is the law that allows hospitals, doctors and nurses to abstain from taking part in abortion for reasons of conscience. If abortion is a "fundamental right", according to FOCA, then every hospital must provide it.
The net result, as one writer noted, is "President Obama and his congressional supermajority would force every Christian hospital, doctor or nurse to abandon their faith or go out of business." Under FOCA, believing Christians could be banned from the hospital industry (and apostolate) by federal law.
06-Nov-2008, 03:34 PM
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couldn't a pregnant chick just drink a lot of booze, go surfing, and into boxing while she's pregnant instead of an abortion if she really wanted to?
why not give people the right.
it's not anyone elses business.
why not give people the right.
it's not anyone elses business.
06-Nov-2008, 03:45 PM
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dude you're so lost its not even funny
this will be the THIRD TIME that I'm telling you it has NOTHING TO DO with my views on abortion. It has to do with DOCTORS WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN ABORTION BEING FORCED TO PERFORM THEM.
If someon wants to request an abortion they can continue to go to a NON-CATHOLIC hospital/practice to have it done.
Geez.
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06-Nov-2008, 03:46 PM
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If you were a Catholic doctor who didn't believe in abortion I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate anyone trying to pass a law that would force you to perform them.
To a Catholic, those who help perform abortions are just as guilty in God's eyes as those requesting them.
06-Nov-2008, 03:50 PM
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Again, this is from where? You have cut and pasted your info, but not stated where you got it from and it is one source. I will research what you brought to the table and see what it is all about, but you have one suppose small quote from Obama, and we all know how they get twisted around.
Does this look twisted to you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR1RD2-fabA
06-Nov-2008, 03:53 PM
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06-Nov-2008, 04:01 PM
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06-Nov-2008, 05:06 PM
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the simple solution would be for the catholic doctor to not work in an abortion clinic.
if you base things on religions, jewish doctors can't work on saturday because it involves working, using technology and they don't want god to kill their family. Christian doctors can't work on sunday cause it's the day of rest.
why would a catholic even become a doctor, or go see a doctor?
just pray, ask for mercy, and gives thanks to the glory of santa clause and you'll be healed. those guys on TV can help too.
06-Nov-2008, 05:15 PM
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Luka, you have proved nothing. All I saw was clips of his speech and then someone's opinion or their understanding on this bill. Your post states "see the whole speech" One of your youtube links clearly shows it being doctored to make him look dumbfounded.
C'mon you can do better than that.
His inititial statement of the bill is the same line in your cut and paste. Nowhere in your "proof" does he go on to elaborate on it.
C'mon you can do better than that.
His inititial statement of the bill is the same line in your cut and paste. Nowhere in your "proof" does he go on to elaborate on it.
06-Nov-2008, 06:21 PM
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what is there to elaborate on?
he supports the bill and said he would sign it. That's pretty cut and dry. You said things get twisted around meaning that the quote may have been taken out of context or worded incorrectly and i showed you a video with it coming straight from his mouth.
You can google the bill yourself if you want to learn all the details about it.
he supports the bill and said he would sign it. That's pretty cut and dry. You said things get twisted around meaning that the quote may have been taken out of context or worded incorrectly and i showed you a video with it coming straight from his mouth.
You can google the bill yourself if you want to learn all the details about it.
Last edited by shlammed; 06-Nov-2008 at 06:32 PM.
