Palestinian State Enforced by UN- Boundaries
13-Dec-2005, 01:10 PM
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Palestinian State Enforced by UN- Boundaries
have this debate to do about this topic, the palestinian state that was enforced by the United Nations in 1967.
Now Im on the side for the Isralies but have been seaching for quite awhile on this topic and I am very confused.
If anyone has debated or has information on this topic and want to debate/talk about it for some ideas or has references I could use the help working on this debate im preparing for class. Now Ive got some info but im confused lol. I no some Tcc'ers love to argue
Now Im on the side for the Isralies but have been seaching for quite awhile on this topic and I am very confused.
If anyone has debated or has information on this topic and want to debate/talk about it for some ideas or has references I could use the help working on this debate im preparing for class. Now Ive got some info but im confused lol. I no some Tcc'ers love to argue
13-Dec-2005, 01:41 PM
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What are you confused about? Israel launched a series of attacks on Palestine, Syria and Jordan which led them to capture the West Bank and Gaza. The reason for the attack was that these countries were conspiring to attack them.
Egypt as well.
Egypt as well.
13-Dec-2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
What are you confused about? Israel launched a series of attacks on Palestine, Syria and Jordan which led them to capture the West Bank and Gaza. The reason for the attack was that these countries were conspiring to attack them.
What are you confused about? Israel launched a series of attacks on Palestine, Syria and Jordan which led them to capture the West Bank and Gaza. The reason for the attack was that these countries were conspiring to attack them.
it was called the 7 days war since it only took 7 days from when the first shots were fired at Isreal to the point where the original agressors were begging for peace.
do research ont he 7 days war... and you will find more info
13-Dec-2005, 04:02 PM
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First it was the six day war. Second, Israel attacked first. "In May 1967, Egypt and Syria took a number of steps which led Israel to believe that an Arab attack was imminent".
http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/sixdaywar.html
There are hundreds of links that will illustrate who attacked who first.
http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/sixdaywar.html
There are hundreds of links that will illustrate who attacked who first.
13-Dec-2005, 04:31 PM
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Occupation of the west bank and gaza strip (now back to its owners) was illegal to begin with and so remains to this day. The UN resolution of 1967 had the vote of the majority of its members who declared that this occupation is illegal. But to be honest and sadly, who cares about UN these days.
Israel's occupation has only lasted cuz it has support of the US, without which...this matter would have been resolved decades ago. It is also a known fact now that US, the country who founded UN, can honor and dishonor UN resolutions subject to its own political interests.
These political interests have taken preference over loss of innocent lives. Just because one country fired the first shots, does not mean that the other permanenly occupies the land and sits on it forever.
To me its simple, you and me can be bad neighbors but if i come and occupy your backyard, you have all the right to fight and kill until you take it back. So the terrorists are not those kids who throw stones at tanks or blow themselves up, the real ********* is US who just doesnt want stability in the region.
The west back belongs to Palestine and not Israel and those who think that Palestenians will stop fighting for their land, dream on.
I just hope that this issue is resolved so both sides can live in peace and the current and future generations have a future to hope for.
Israel's occupation has only lasted cuz it has support of the US, without which...this matter would have been resolved decades ago. It is also a known fact now that US, the country who founded UN, can honor and dishonor UN resolutions subject to its own political interests.
These political interests have taken preference over loss of innocent lives. Just because one country fired the first shots, does not mean that the other permanenly occupies the land and sits on it forever.
To me its simple, you and me can be bad neighbors but if i come and occupy your backyard, you have all the right to fight and kill until you take it back. So the terrorists are not those kids who throw stones at tanks or blow themselves up, the real ********* is US who just doesnt want stability in the region.
The west back belongs to Palestine and not Israel and those who think that Palestenians will stop fighting for their land, dream on.
I just hope that this issue is resolved so both sides can live in peace and the current and future generations have a future to hope for.
13-Dec-2005, 04:36 PM
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let's not forget that israel is a state formed by the "winners" of WWII on land seized from other countries since jews were displaced for centuries and did not have a state of their own..
Israel would have been wiped out within a few years if it did not have USA pouring in billions of dollars in cash and billions more in military equipment
when you take away land from people, give it to their long long time ememies, then you can't really expect them to live in peace, can you...
Israel would have been wiped out within a few years if it did not have USA pouring in billions of dollars in cash and billions more in military equipment
when you take away land from people, give it to their long long time ememies, then you can't really expect them to live in peace, can you...
13-Dec-2005, 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by szuberi
Occupation of the west bank and gaza strip (now back to its owners) was illegal to begin with and so remains to this day. The UN resolution of 1967 had the vote of the majority of its members who declared that this occupation is illegal. But to be honest and sadly, who cares about UN these days.
Israel's occupation has only lasted cuz it has support of the US, without which...this matter would have been resolved decades ago. It is also a known fact now that US, the country who founded UN, can honor and dishonor UN resolutions subject to its own political interests.
These political interests have taken preference over loss of innocent lives. Just because one country fired the first shots, does not mean that the other permanenly occupies the land and sits on it forever.
To me its simple, you and me can be bad neighbors but if i come and occupy your backyard, you have all the right to fight and kill until you take it back. So the terrorists are not those kids who throw stones at tanks or blow themselves up, the real ********* is US who just doesnt want stability in the region.
The west back belongs to Palestine and not Israel and those who think that Palestenians will stop fighting for their land, dream on.
I just hope that this issue is resolved so both sides can live in peace and the current and future generations have a future to hope for.
Occupation of the west bank and gaza strip (now back to its owners) was illegal to begin with and so remains to this day. The UN resolution of 1967 had the vote of the majority of its members who declared that this occupation is illegal. But to be honest and sadly, who cares about UN these days.
Israel's occupation has only lasted cuz it has support of the US, without which...this matter would have been resolved decades ago. It is also a known fact now that US, the country who founded UN, can honor and dishonor UN resolutions subject to its own political interests.
These political interests have taken preference over loss of innocent lives. Just because one country fired the first shots, does not mean that the other permanenly occupies the land and sits on it forever.
To me its simple, you and me can be bad neighbors but if i come and occupy your backyard, you have all the right to fight and kill until you take it back. So the terrorists are not those kids who throw stones at tanks or blow themselves up, the real ********* is US who just doesnt want stability in the region.
The west back belongs to Palestine and not Israel and those who think that Palestenians will stop fighting for their land, dream on.
I just hope that this issue is resolved so both sides can live in peace and the current and future generations have a future to hope for.
13-Dec-2005, 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by szuberi
Occupation of the west bank and gaza strip (now back to its owners) was illegal to begin with and so remains to this day. The UN resolution of 1967 had the vote of the majority of its members who declared that this occupation is illegal. But to be honest and sadly, who cares about UN these days.
Israel's occupation has only lasted cuz it has support of the US, without which...this matter would have been resolved decades ago. It is also a known fact now that US, the country who founded UN, can honor and dishonor UN resolutions subject to its own political interests.
These political interests have taken preference over loss of innocent lives. Just because one country fired the first shots, does not mean that the other permanenly occupies the land and sits on it forever.
To me its simple, you and me can be bad neighbors but if i come and occupy your backyard, you have all the right to fight and kill until you take it back. So the terrorists are not those kids who throw stones at tanks or blow themselves up, the real ********* is US who just doesnt want stability in the region.
The west back belongs to Palestine and not Israel and those who think that Palestenians will stop fighting for their land, dream on.
I just hope that this issue is resolved so both sides can live in peace and the current and future generations have a future to hope for.
Occupation of the west bank and gaza strip (now back to its owners) was illegal to begin with and so remains to this day. The UN resolution of 1967 had the vote of the majority of its members who declared that this occupation is illegal. But to be honest and sadly, who cares about UN these days.
Israel's occupation has only lasted cuz it has support of the US, without which...this matter would have been resolved decades ago. It is also a known fact now that US, the country who founded UN, can honor and dishonor UN resolutions subject to its own political interests.
These political interests have taken preference over loss of innocent lives. Just because one country fired the first shots, does not mean that the other permanenly occupies the land and sits on it forever.
To me its simple, you and me can be bad neighbors but if i come and occupy your backyard, you have all the right to fight and kill until you take it back. So the terrorists are not those kids who throw stones at tanks or blow themselves up, the real ********* is US who just doesnt want stability in the region.
The west back belongs to Palestine and not Israel and those who think that Palestenians will stop fighting for their land, dream on.
I just hope that this issue is resolved so both sides can live in peace and the current and future generations have a future to hope for.
13-Dec-2005, 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by ERTW
let's not forget that israel is a state formed by the "winners" of WWII on land seized from other countries since jews were displaced for centuries and did not have a state of their own..
Israel would have been wiped out within a few years if it did not have USA pouring in billions of dollars in cash and billions more in military equipment
when you take away land from people, give it to their long long time ememies, then you can't really expect them to live in peace, can you...
let's not forget that israel is a state formed by the "winners" of WWII on land seized from other countries since jews were displaced for centuries and did not have a state of their own..
Israel would have been wiped out within a few years if it did not have USA pouring in billions of dollars in cash and billions more in military equipment
when you take away land from people, give it to their long long time ememies, then you can't really expect them to live in peace, can you...
I agree with you that when you take land away, its troubling clarify your statement further. What do you mean by "give it to their long long time enemies". Here is what i know:
Jews were displaced, primarily by events of the WW2 by the *****. Germany never gave any land that they had occupied from the Jews to the current states in the Middle East namely...Egypt, Syria, Lebannon and the Palestine. So unless you meant something else, your statement is not true.
13-Dec-2005, 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by ERTW
let's not forget that israel is a state formed by the "winners" of WWII on land seized from other countries since jews were displaced for centuries and did not have a state of their own..
Israel would have been wiped out within a few years if it did not have USA pouring in billions of dollars in cash and billions more in military equipment
when you take away land from people, give it to their long long time ememies, then you can't really expect them to live in peace, can you...
let's not forget that israel is a state formed by the "winners" of WWII on land seized from other countries since jews were displaced for centuries and did not have a state of their own..
Israel would have been wiped out within a few years if it did not have USA pouring in billions of dollars in cash and billions more in military equipment
when you take away land from people, give it to their long long time ememies, then you can't really expect them to live in peace, can you...
exactly right, many ppl forget that the whole occupation started right after WWII.
13-Dec-2005, 07:05 PM
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sorry On this topic im trying to get educated thats all..
thanks for the info guys.
I do have to be on the side of the isralies for this debate so im trying to work up some points for it.
thanks for the info guys.
I do have to be on the side of the isralies for this debate so im trying to work up some points for it.
13-Dec-2005, 10:55 PM
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lol, im really having trouble coming up with a side for the Isralies on this one, if anyone comes up with any let me know!
Can anyone come up with problems going back to 1967 borders.
Can anyone come up with problems going back to 1967 borders.
14-Dec-2005, 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by climax
sorry On this topic im trying to get educated thats all..
thanks for the info guys.
I do have to be on the side of the isralies for this debate so im trying to work up some points for it.
sorry On this topic im trying to get educated thats all..
thanks for the info guys.
I do have to be on the side of the isralies for this debate so im trying to work up some points for it.
YOu need to be on the right side....whether its an Israeli perspective or the Palestenian. Dont you think so?
For everyone reading and contributing to this thread, i encourage all of you to look into the current ongoing political affairs in Israel itself. Sharon, who originally founded the Likud party, recently left to form a new more centralist group. Hardliners both inside Likud and the Labour party, who originally supported the withdrawl proposition from Gaza and parts of West Bank, turned against it later on (THE reason for Sharon to leave as it was sending a conflicting message to the world...that at one end you want to disengage and then you are trying to cut a deal....erect the Berlin style wall).
The show of public support for Sharon is an overwhelming evidence that majority of Israelis want peace and this conflict to end. Most of these ppl are not proponents of giving away the west bank back. I dont blame them as Israel and the US does not have any plan to relocate them once they move....again...failure on the part of Israel and its daddy US.
Peace
