people will tel u anythin 2 sell crap
#1
people will tel u anythin 2 sell crap
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Magnetic-Gas-Save...QQcmdZViewItem
like wtf is that going 2 do besided stick 2 the fuel pipe hahahah
like wtf is that going 2 do besided stick 2 the fuel pipe hahahah
#3
#4
a ****ing earth magnet on your fuel line wil save u gass like wtf only if it picks up a piece of rust from your tank and blocks the ****ing line like wtf are people this dunb ??
ionised fuel yea ok
ionised fuel yea ok
#8
actually, we tested one at my work, and it does work somewhat but it takes time, we installed one on a caravan and compared the before and after results after a couple hours driving and it did help. and it does magnatize the molecules or minerals or w.e in the gas,
basically, any strong magnet will work
basically, any strong magnet will work
#13
Magnetic devices that purport to miraculously save fuel by aligning the fuel
molecules have been around for many years. While I do not doubt that you
honestly saw the effects you describe, to really judge the benefits of such
devices they must be tested under carefully controlled conditions. In tests
of many similar devices for automobiles conducted by the EPA, none has ever
shown one iota of benefit when carefully tested. Additionally, the
underlying theory of these devices is not supported by scientific evidence.
The results of EPA's testing of fuel saving devices may be found at:
http://www.epa.gov/orcdizux/consumer/reports.htm
Specifically, over the years EPA tested the following magnetic devices:
Petro-Mizer, Polarion-X, Super-Mag Fuel Extender, and the Wickliff
Polarizer. None were found to have any measurable effect on fuel
consumption.
The report on the Petro-Mizer quotes Professor John C. Hilliard of the
Automotive Laboratory at the University of Michigan discussing another
magnetic fuel-saving device called the Moleculator. Professor Hilliard
said, "Hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline have hardly any dipole (separation
of positive and negative charges), and for this reason, the fuel molecules
would not align appreciably in this type of device. If they were aligned,
the fuel dipoles would certainly be randomized subsequently - if not in the
fuel line, then in the process of vaporization prior to actual combustion.
Furthermore, even if such an alignment device did what the Moleculator's
manufacturer claims this one does, there would be absolutely no advantage to
any aspect of mixture preparation or flame propagation relating to
combustion efficiency or vehicle fuel economy."
While this information pertains to automobiles, it should apply equally to
other combustion devices such as furnaces. Automobile companies have
invested billions of dollars in developing expensive technologies such as
fuel injection and continuously-variable transmissions to improve fuel
economy by a few percent. Companies that manufacture HVAC equipment have
similarly worked hard to develop high-efficiency furnaces. If it were as
simple as attaching a magnet to the fuel line to get comparable results, it
would have been done a long time ago.
Andrew Johnson, Ph.D., P.E.
molecules have been around for many years. While I do not doubt that you
honestly saw the effects you describe, to really judge the benefits of such
devices they must be tested under carefully controlled conditions. In tests
of many similar devices for automobiles conducted by the EPA, none has ever
shown one iota of benefit when carefully tested. Additionally, the
underlying theory of these devices is not supported by scientific evidence.
The results of EPA's testing of fuel saving devices may be found at:
http://www.epa.gov/orcdizux/consumer/reports.htm
Specifically, over the years EPA tested the following magnetic devices:
Petro-Mizer, Polarion-X, Super-Mag Fuel Extender, and the Wickliff
Polarizer. None were found to have any measurable effect on fuel
consumption.
The report on the Petro-Mizer quotes Professor John C. Hilliard of the
Automotive Laboratory at the University of Michigan discussing another
magnetic fuel-saving device called the Moleculator. Professor Hilliard
said, "Hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline have hardly any dipole (separation
of positive and negative charges), and for this reason, the fuel molecules
would not align appreciably in this type of device. If they were aligned,
the fuel dipoles would certainly be randomized subsequently - if not in the
fuel line, then in the process of vaporization prior to actual combustion.
Furthermore, even if such an alignment device did what the Moleculator's
manufacturer claims this one does, there would be absolutely no advantage to
any aspect of mixture preparation or flame propagation relating to
combustion efficiency or vehicle fuel economy."
While this information pertains to automobiles, it should apply equally to
other combustion devices such as furnaces. Automobile companies have
invested billions of dollars in developing expensive technologies such as
fuel injection and continuously-variable transmissions to improve fuel
economy by a few percent. Companies that manufacture HVAC equipment have
similarly worked hard to develop high-efficiency furnaces. If it were as
simple as attaching a magnet to the fuel line to get comparable results, it
would have been done a long time ago.
Andrew Johnson, Ph.D., P.E.
#14
Magnetic Fuel Treatment
Magnetic fuel treatment devices installed in automobiles are similar in design to magnetic water treatment devices. Hydrocarbon fuel is pumped through a canister containing one or more magnets or a magnetic device is clamped to the external surface of the fuel line. Magnetic treatment of fuel, it is claimed, results in increased horsepower, increased mileage, reduced hazardous gas emissions, and longer engine life.
Typically, vendors claim that either mileage or horsepower will be improved by about 10 to 20 percent. They also claim that if no improvement in mileage is noted, then the improvement must have come in the form of more horsepower. This, of course, makes it difficult for consumers to determine whether their magnetic fuel treatment devices really are working.
A literature search for magnetic fuel treatment studies revealed that such studies are practically nonexistent. I found a total of three references. Two of these (Daly 1995; McNeely 1994) were anecdotal accounts describing the use of a magnetic treatment device to kill microorganisms in diesel fuel, a fuel treatment application not usually mentioned by magnetic fuel treatment vendors.
The third reference (Tretyakov et al. 1985) describes tests conducted in which the electrical resistance and dielectric properties of a hydrocarbon fuel were found to change in response to an applied magnetic field. This report does not address whether the observed physical property changes might affect fuel performance in an engine, but it references two research reports that may contain performance data (Skripka et al. 1975; Tretyakov et al. 1975). Unfortunately, I could obtain neither report, and both are written in Russian.
My literature search search found no other credible research reports pertaining to magnetic fuel treatment.
The utter lack of published test data is revealing. According to the vendors, magnetic fuel treatment has been around for at least fifty years. If it actually worked as claimed, it seems likely that it would by now be commonplace. It is not.
Vendors of magnetic fuel treatment sometimes respond to this reasoning with hints that the automobile manufacturers and big oil companies are conspiring to suppress magnetic fuel treatment to maintain demand for gasoline. Such a conspiracy seems quite improbable. This supposed conspiracy has not managed to suppress other fuel-saving innovations such as fuel injection and computerized control.
In summary, I found no test data that support the claims for improved engine performance made by vendors of magnetic fuel treatment devices. Until such data become available, considerable skepticism is justified. At present, it seems quite unlikely that any of the claimed benefits of magnetic fuel treatment are real.
Mike R. Powell
http://www.csicop.org/si/9801/powell.html
Magnetic fuel treatment devices installed in automobiles are similar in design to magnetic water treatment devices. Hydrocarbon fuel is pumped through a canister containing one or more magnets or a magnetic device is clamped to the external surface of the fuel line. Magnetic treatment of fuel, it is claimed, results in increased horsepower, increased mileage, reduced hazardous gas emissions, and longer engine life.
Typically, vendors claim that either mileage or horsepower will be improved by about 10 to 20 percent. They also claim that if no improvement in mileage is noted, then the improvement must have come in the form of more horsepower. This, of course, makes it difficult for consumers to determine whether their magnetic fuel treatment devices really are working.
A literature search for magnetic fuel treatment studies revealed that such studies are practically nonexistent. I found a total of three references. Two of these (Daly 1995; McNeely 1994) were anecdotal accounts describing the use of a magnetic treatment device to kill microorganisms in diesel fuel, a fuel treatment application not usually mentioned by magnetic fuel treatment vendors.
The third reference (Tretyakov et al. 1985) describes tests conducted in which the electrical resistance and dielectric properties of a hydrocarbon fuel were found to change in response to an applied magnetic field. This report does not address whether the observed physical property changes might affect fuel performance in an engine, but it references two research reports that may contain performance data (Skripka et al. 1975; Tretyakov et al. 1975). Unfortunately, I could obtain neither report, and both are written in Russian.
My literature search search found no other credible research reports pertaining to magnetic fuel treatment.
The utter lack of published test data is revealing. According to the vendors, magnetic fuel treatment has been around for at least fifty years. If it actually worked as claimed, it seems likely that it would by now be commonplace. It is not.
Vendors of magnetic fuel treatment sometimes respond to this reasoning with hints that the automobile manufacturers and big oil companies are conspiring to suppress magnetic fuel treatment to maintain demand for gasoline. Such a conspiracy seems quite improbable. This supposed conspiracy has not managed to suppress other fuel-saving innovations such as fuel injection and computerized control.
In summary, I found no test data that support the claims for improved engine performance made by vendors of magnetic fuel treatment devices. Until such data become available, considerable skepticism is justified. At present, it seems quite unlikely that any of the claimed benefits of magnetic fuel treatment are real.
Mike R. Powell
http://www.csicop.org/si/9801/powell.html
#18
Originally posted by Cynikal.Mindset
read the last paragraph son
read the last paragraph son
but it also has to be installed in a certain location, (if i remember right, its after the fuel pump and before the fuel filter) or it could be between the fuel filter and motor
#20
Originally posted by Bruce Fee
if this was so good, a lot of people would have it.
if this was so good, a lot of people would have it.