sphewy

so whats the deal with you guys here.....lets here a little for the raptors.....they are without their star player and are playing pretty well and yet i see nothing here about them. i was at the game last night and the crowd was going nuts most of the time and it really gave them a lift....was good to see. nice to see jyd destroying the oposition as well....atta boy.

go raps and leafs

imported_striderx

haha yesterdays game was good, JYD was going crazy in the 4th quarter! as for Vince...yes, he is good, but still, young, over paid and not quite up to par when pressures on. but hey its my opinion and i know some think its the basketball god. but damn that guy can jump...

sphewy

i dont disagree, vince is overpaid and not nearly the leader or example he could be.....but he did consist of the majority of the teams points etc... so without him they are at a large handicap .......and ya jyd ripped er up in the 4th that rocked

PULOVR

In my opinion, they're all overpaid.....my 2 c's.

imported_striderx

haha that's very true.
jsut that carter is known that once he gets injured, he's done. but its sports, one day your worth 30 mill, break something and can't play, your worth nuttin. but raptors i must say are goign well without him now but still probably wouldn't have gotten this far without him either....

imported_Junior

I think Vince being out of the lineup has boosted the team. Everybody has stepped up their play. I think they have a great chance on Thursday to finish them off. They just have to clamp down on those 3 *****.

SiR-Racer

raptors are doing better without vince. carter stinks when it comes to playoff time. he's so overpaid it's a joke.

imported_b16_eh

As far as Vince Carter is concerned he is the key player for the team. He has proven that he can carry the team single handedly win a game. Sure he's injured and the raps have won 14 of 18 games without him. But how long can they last. How long can they rely on A sophmore mo pete to score 20 or davis to not get into foul trouble. Sure when they are on fire anyone one on the team can score but you need a leader on the court that wants the ball and will go to the hoop or shoot the threes. The only way to get back in to a game is to have your star player carry you back. But what happenns when the raps are down they are out.
The raptors now rely on D to keep them in a game because they have no choice. But if VC was playing they would be a offensive minded team.
Are the players overpayed i don't think so. Who do you think makes more money the players or the owners? If you could fill a stadium 41 nights a year have people buying your licenced clothing that I"the owner" have "sold" the rights to. Have people eat and drink 10$ hotdogs.
Hav people sitting at home watching the games that I "the owner" have "sold" the rights to for millions of dollars. Then sure I'll trade you a few mill for a few bill.

That's my 02. salary cap.

90hatchsi

I agree with B16 because some of the players we have now came to Toronto to play with Vince. If he wasn't around where would we be? Remember how we got Vince; a trade to Golden State for Antwon Jamisom. Would we be anywhere with him? No, obviously not. We are lucky to have Vince thumbup: Just imagine if we had Mcgrady too!!! Whooooooooooooooooo

SiR-Racer

my opinion is that the team relies on vince too much whenever he's in the lineup. he still hasnt proven himself in the playoffs. and he was in the lineup when they lost 17/18 was he not? look what happened when he got hurt. the team pulled together and played as a TEAM. when vince is in, they depend on him to single handedly beat a team. if he faultered the whole team goes down with him. i dont care how good an individual is, it's the TEAM that wins games.

i cant argue about the fact the the players have came to the raptors to play with vince. there's no denying that. but the team is better off now that he got hurt.

and about the owners, vince carter gets WAY more cash than any owner ever will. all that money from selling tickets and beer doesnt go straight into the owners pockets...lol. they got crazy amounts of expenses. vince just gets cold hard cash.

Cantonagod

Overall I am not a big basketball fan. I cheer for the Raptors because they are the "home" team. There is no way they are better without Vince, they just rely on him to much at times. Imagine how good they would be if they played like they are now and had a healthy Vince as well.

And find me a professional Athlete that isn't overpaid for something most of us would do for free.

90hatchsi

It might be true that the Raptors rely too much on Vince, and it has been a while since he hit a BIG game winning shot. But thats something the coaching staff has to change you never know maybe next season they'll include more plays for A. Davis, Mo Pete etc. Just think about it, all the games they have won so far add Vince's regular 25 points, we'ed kill the whole league.

ThEiDzKiD

sure vince is their most valuable player but hes gotta toughen up....last year everygame he had atleast one or two dunks where he just went at the guy....this year i can barely remember any...sure he ws hurt but still.....he needs to look at how iverson plays....

SiR-Racer

you might get to add vince's 25 points but you also gotta add the points he gives up on D. once you do that, it's pretty even.

SiRJ

i'm all over the raptors. i LOVE basketball.

but anybody get annoyed of that Dr. Funk commercial yet? its on WAY too much

imported_b16_eh

I hate that commercial. How does the ball go through the second guys hands.

Let's move the meet to somewhere with a t.v. so we can watch the raps game. I am sure if it was a leafs game it could be arranged.

sphewy

in my opinion vince is overpaid, overplayed and overhyped. he is a great basketball player but he is nothing without the rest of the team and i dont think he recognizes that. he is cocky, arrogant, selfish and greedy. one can be a great ball player without the attitude. when you see him doing the raptor charity work with kids and stuff he looks like he is only there because he is obliged too or because he can write it off on his taxes or something. i mean look at some of the other players out there.....karl malone and john stockton for example. they do charity work all the time and are greatful to be in the position they are lucky enough to be in and share their wealth......not wish they had more. or even jyd...he isnt the best player in the league by far.....but he devotes so much time and effort to working with kids and doing his best to brighten everyones day......thats a great person, teamate and role model. vince is a hell of a ball player but before anyone can call him a leader.....he needs to realise there is more to being a team player than just going out and scoring 25 points a night..... then again thats just my opinion

imported_b16_eh

The question is would you get rid of VC to free up room in the salary cap?

No

Is VC at his prime?

hell no

Can VC carry an entire team?
No

Can M.jordan carry an entire team?
No

Did MJ win rookie of the year?
I don't think so.

Did MJ win a title in his first 5 years in the league?
No

So stop saying VC isn't worth it give him time, now that A. davis is better and if Mo Pete decided he can play every day then we got some great potential.

But people talk big about mo pete but what has he really done?
nothing.

Keon Clark is by far my favorite man on the team not including VC. But it's because i think he has potential. This team is young and if everyone decides to show up and play all season long it would make for a great team.

Can the raps win 50 games without VC.
No Way.
IMO the raps are a "true center" away from being in the top 5 teams in the league.
Don't jump on the VCain't **** bandwagon he's our best player and that's it. No one will replace him and when he comes back it's upto the coaching staff and the present lineup to put VC in his place.

PULOVR

He's still over paid.(vc)LOL.... He's just like a worm used for fishing.....use the right bait, and you catch the big fishes! 2c's.

sphewy

alright here's the deal i am not on any bandwagon....that was my opinion. if we were to get rid of vc we could get a couple good players which could fully round out our nucleus of players and strengthen our team as a whole.....vc compromises our TEAM...he thinks he is the team. he scores 30 points so hey its not his fault they were losing and barely broke .500. i would trade carter despite his amazing skill b/c at this point he isnt near his full potential and i dont think his development as a true all around player will grow here any more so than it already has. MY $.02