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Old 30-Jun-2006, 11:59 PM
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Question Raptor's Charlie V. traded for TJ Ford (bucks)

http://www.nba.com/bucks/news/Villan...ed_060630.html

that sucks! why not Joey Graham!!

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Because we have too many forwards and need a starting point guard. It was a good trade.
 
Old 01-Jul-2006, 12:06 AM
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i think it's a good trade....we need a pass oriented PG to run the floor, CV3 is solid in his rookie season but there's just too many big bodies on the team already...

coangelo is sort of taking a gamble though...since tj ford got some injury problems, but it seems like he was quite healthy at the bucks last season so he should be fine....charlie v will prob improve a lot since he'll most likely be in the starting lineup and register tons of minutes
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Don't be surprised if there are more trades/free agent moves for Toronto, they have approx 13 million to play around with. There may be more bodies to be moved. They want to improve their defence.
 
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true we have too many forwards.. joey graham is a forward too.. and he suck! hehehe I was just thinking, if we have TJ Ford, Charlie V, Chris bosh, mopete, and rasho as our starting 5, we will be a better team. but yeah you guys are right its a good trade, we got more $$$ to spend now!
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true we have too many forwards.. joey graham is a forward too.. and he suck! hehehe I was just thinking, if we have TJ Ford, Charlie V, Chris bosh, mopete, and rasho as our starting 5, we will be a better team. but yeah you guys are right its a good trade, we got more $$$ to spend now!
F@wk Mike James!
You can only trade what people want, if they offer Graham, this trade doesn't happen, plain and simple.

Mike James will either go to free agency, or the Raps will sign and trade, either way, he will be gone.
 
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no more Charlie V.....errrrrrrrrrrrrr


let's just hope Ford will help us by keeping himself healthy
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Old 01-Jul-2006, 02:48 AM
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sad to see charlie v go, but yes we have too many power forwards....

joey grahams strength is his defence, and will always be...thats why he is an asset, he will be called upon to guard the kobes and wades


same with mo pete...though mo can score
a pg like ford can hopefully ****** the ball around and get bosh , mo and bagnani some good looks
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no more Charlie V.....errrrrrrrrrrrrr


let's just hope Ford will help us by keeping himself healthy
He is fine, his health issues were in the 2003 -2004 season.
 
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fills a hole but sad to see a good young talent leave. I thought when Charlie and Joey were picked they would be trade bait becasue they are both very athletic.
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They did need a point guard, and they did have too many forwards, but I am not so sure that the trade was fair, I think the Bucks might have got a bit of a better deal. Hard to tell right now though, with only one season from Charlie V.
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It doesn't matter if Charlie V does better or not in the trade, he filled a need. You guys are forgetting there is still options for them to pick up other people, This really cost them nothing. They got Ford + cash and still have lots of salary cap to play with.
 
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that sucks...i loved charlie V...always put in a solid effort while playing...that is what the the raps need
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not to mention villa WANTED to be in toronto... the reality is not many nba players want to be here

... flashback: imagine billups stayed when we dealt for him years ago? he wanted out asap
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Oh man...hate to see him go but at least now we have a PG. Want to see more trades
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keep in mind... tj is buddy of bosh.... things will work out, tj will love our city...

charlie v is good, but if we have him, we can't develop bargnani right off the bat... i think colangelo wants to log bargnani some heavy mins right off the bat and see if he can handle the mins... i see bargnani logging roughly 30-32 mins and about 10 shots a game....

and plus we will have jose calderon to back tj for about 20 mins a game... so keeping tj on the floor 30-35 mins can keep up his health and not wear him down... and if we rotate wisely, we can keep tj in the 4th... and rest him a bit in the 2nd and a bit in the 3rd quarter... jose will try to improve this offseason...

and believe me... i see more trades coming too... we might be doing a sign and trade for mike james... we'll target a sg/sf type versatile player... joey graham is still in our development plan... he should be good this season with his defensive mind... mopete might be on the trade if necessary to get an even more veteran player...
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TJ is not injury-prone like some people think. He had one major injury, and it's over now. The type of injury that TJ had was fixed by the surgery, and he is no more at risk of injuring himself than the rest of the players on the court. It is *not* weaker or more fragile than before.

Not sure if you can read this without registering:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=399359

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Many people do not have a proper understanding of the medical status of T.J. Ford. This is mostly due to natural preconceived notions about athletes who suffer an injury and/or undergo serious surgery and also go through an extended period of time when they cannot practice or play their sport. The media has done nothing to dispel such preconceived notions, and at times they are in fact guilty of reinforcing such notions. Reporters such as ESPN’s Andy Katz are beginning to do reporting that will help educate the public on this issue, but it has been too little too late so far.

First, let’s begin with some basic premises. Contrary to popular (and unfortunate) belief, TJ Ford has no physical limitations (as a result of either his injury or surgery) on his abilities and skills that he employs on a basketball court. None. Zero.

The only risk to T.J. Ford is that on the extremely slim chance that the surgeons improperly performed the surgery AND continually improperly analyzed x-rays of the area that the surgery was performed on (which would apply not only to Los Angeles Spine Surgery Institute’s Dr. Robert Watkins, but also to the other three specialists from Charlotte, Indiana, and Dallas who served as outside independent consultants)… TJ risks either paralysis or death should he suffer a similar hit/fall that he suffered on 02/24/04. Not only have these 4 specialists staked the credibility (and liability) of themselves (and the institutions they represent) on the fact that they gave TJ full clearance for full-contact basketball, but medical history of anyone who has had TJ’s circumstances supports their certainty.

The most important obstacles that TJ has had to (and will have to) overcome are mental obstacles. He MUST not play scared and he MUST overcome any fear of contact if he is to be the same player as he was (or a better player than he was) before. So far the evidence has shown that this is not a big concern at this point, but judging his ability to overcome the mental obstacles is still subjective and much different from examining his physical status. In the past, TJ never altered his style of play or played scared, despite having a stenosis related incident in high school, and also an incident his sophomore year in college. The most recent and severe incident (02/24/04) is clearly viewed differently by TJ and of course he also finally chose to have corrective surgery to prevent future incidents from occurring. What we have seen (and heard about) from TJ since the time he was allowed to start working out again through the time he was cleared for full-contact basketball, through Summer League practices, and through today, is that he is DETERMINED and NOT AFRAID. Whether he remains not afraid once the regular season starts and he faces the highest level of competition again is something that will have to be answered by TJ with what he shows us in those first few games. I am completely optimistic on that front, but I cannot give any assurances on that like I can give regarding his medical status.
The post goes on to explain the scientific side of the injury.
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I personally don't like the trade for the main reason that The Bucks seem to have gotten the better half of the deal. yes we need a starting PG, but in terms of overall output and performance Charlie has more talent and I believe he is only going to get better. But what do I know, I trust Colangelo 100% so we shall see.
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I personally don't like the trade for the main reason that The Bucks seem to have gotten the better half of the deal. yes we need a starting PG, but in terms of overall output and performance Charlie has more talent and I believe he is only going to get better. But what do I know, I trust Colangelo 100% so we shall see.
You have to give up something to get something. Everyone wants the best but lets keep what we got or because he loves being in Toronto. ...........who gives a ****. So we keep Charlie V and do nothing..............then when the Raptors are in the dump again, you guys will be complaining that management does nothing.

That's the problem with Toronto fans, same thing happened with Delgado with the Jays, everyone wanted to keep him because he loves the city and what he has done for the club. Never mind he was 20% of the payroll and they couldn't get anyone else.........now that he has been gone, they have had a couple of years to rebuild, what has happened? Gee, I wonder.......

Same for the Leaf's, hopefully for Toronto's sake they start getting rid of more dead wood on that team.

The trade was a good business trade and we have still yet to use the 13 million available under the cap. Colangelo is doing a good job so far imo.
 
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THat's exactly it though.. we have money to spend, we could have possible signed a Point Guard and kept Charlie. He may turn out to be a rising star and therefore that's why I felt we got the trail end of the deal. Not saying its not in the best interest of the Team because we did need a PG but Villaneuva imo is a better player. Yes you have to give up something to get something, but don't give up a player whose on the rise that has an extremely bright future I am sure there were other options we could have looked into.
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