JoonyaSI

depends on how qualified you are ... i negotiated my contract when i wokred at my last "white collar" got me an extra 7 G's a year ... factor in the commute and what not into the equation .. and how long you actually see yourself there ...

Me ... pfft ... i dont work for "The man" anymore .. thats for sukkaz

Adair

A good deal of wise words given above.
If you take the job, at least there is a base from which to start. Worry about the negotiations over salary at a later point, after having the advantage of gaining work experience.

shlammed

Well if it's a job for a new grad I'm sure there are plenty of other grads in his field who would jump at the initial offer so they can easily pass him over if he tries to get more money.

It's a tricky situation.


One thing I've learned over the years when you are trying to move from one job to another is to NEVER answer them when they call you for an interview or a screening and ask how much you currently make.

They use it against you when you try to negotiate a better salary.

JoonyaSI

I put it like this .. they tell you you start at 43-47 .... so do you get paid ... 43 one pay .. then 45 the next .. then 47 the last ? negotiate that 47 start pay man !

what kinna job is this btw ?

JoonyaSI

very true ...

thats how my current bussiness. works .. never let them THINK they know your worth ...

*cough cough* luka *cough*

mill$civic

Take the salary, your new, its not like you have been in this type of work for a long time and have anything to back up wanting more money. Once you get in you got to SHOW them what your worth, then the money should come easy...and if your really good, they are going to want to make sure you stay or other company's will offer you jobs in that field.

DumbasSi

Typical university grad thinkng they are worth more then they are. If you ask for more money, they could tell you to get lost and hire the next person in the stack of resumes they have.

Unless you have extensive qualifications or experience, then your not worth anymore then the next person.

99CivicSiR

yea, well I went through with it, if you never say anything about salary, they will think you're happy and you would never get a raise.
So he said he would think about it and write up the terms of the job and send them to me to read over.

99CivicSiR

I think more than 50% of people negotiate their starting salary, so its not that big of a deal.

JoonyaSI

lol look above .... theres lots who take whats given to them cause it "Seems" alright .. another reason i cant work for other ppl

kingjames1983

its different when you negotiate with a larger corperation or if you negotiate with a small business. With that in mind I would think the small business would take it more personal

ashtonp24

43-47 is good for starting out. 2 years co-op experience is not much, so I suggest you take it, ask for periodic perfornmance reviews, and move up from there.

Are you considering the possibility of internal job postings? Taking the job may provide value i the end if you find that they require a skill set in another department/division.

dannopye

I suggest you ignore all of the pussies in this thread and negotiate. I would imagine most, if not all, of the guys telling you to take the job are young guys, with little experience in the corporate world. (I'm not hating, I'm just saying)

I have been a hiring manager within a few companies for well over a decade and based on your story I can almost guarentee you a few things. If they have extended you an offer on paper:
- They are lowballing you and fully expect you to negotiate, at least a few grand.
- They do not have any "backup" candidates in the event you negotiate. They will not tell you to take a hike for negotiating. They are not offering the job to anyone else.
- The hiring manager HAS more budget for this role.
- They want you for the job, they will pay you more than initially offered.

I will also let you know that it is WAY easier to get more money when you are being hired than when you have been in an job for a while. Performance reviews are only used to move people OUT of an organization, not up in one. Beleive it. Companies use their HR deptartments to string you along and only offer more money in the even you decide to leave.

For those that think I am being cynical...I am not. I am being honest, both as someone that has been hired many many times as well as someone that has hired many many people.

Lastly, I hired on guy who was awesome. I needed him on my team. I offered him $37k and he faxed back an acceptance within 30 minutes. I hired him but actually lost respect for him.

You are in control of your career...not a company you may chose to work for.

JoonyaSI

Booom ... spoken like a man w/ ***** and an idea of the world around us ...

Gallagher

dan da mannnn

ashtonp24

HAHAHAHAHA...right! They're really gonna take that from a guy with co-op experience. If you've been around in the industry and have a good handle on what you know, then negotiate. But if you're straight outta university, they're not gonna look twice.

Like someone said, it could backfire pretty bad if you ask too much, and most of your points above are assumed. There's no guarantee of any of those being true, and if this is the only job offer he has, and if the risk is taken and it backfires, he does not have a backup plan, whereas the employer more than likely does.

ashtonp24

What industry is this in?

dannopye

Holy cow man...have they got you whipped.

Please do not view my comments as disrespectful, but beleive me when I tell you everything I wrote above is 100% true. I have dozens and dozens of friends who are Manager, Director and VP-level professionals inside Canadas largest companies...not just one company does this...they all do.

HR departments use fear, the kind of fear you obviously have, to keep employees planted.

In 20 years, you will look back on your career and you will realize that the only people you have seen succeed in the corporate world are in fact the people that could care less.

When you have no fear (read: confidence) about finding a job, you will have them offered to you conssistently...this I promise.

Companies are having a difficult time finding good people. I'm not talking qualified people, I'm talking good people. If they make you an offer, they want you and will fight for you.

Les_Active

Agreed, need to get some professional experience to negotiate with.

99CivicSiR

By the way, Im in the IT industry.