Stan Tookie Williams
13-Dec-2005, 12:42 PM
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heh.. Im not anti death penalty.. but im saying he never did recieve a fair trial...is that fair.. no..
how do you know he killed anyone?... he could never be placed at the scene of the crime.. thats circumstantial evidence...
He was a peacemaker once in jail.. not only when his execution date was coming.. but the whole time... sorry if you did not get that the first time..
He has been nominated 5 times for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in helping to prevent gang violence.
He has been nominated four times for the Nobel Literature Prize for his children's books that warn young people about the pitfalls of joining a gang and exposes them to alternatives.
"The prosecutor in Tookie's original case removed three African-American jurors from the jury. During Stan's trial, this prosecutor made racially-coded remarks during his closing argument, comparing Stan during the trial to a Bengal tiger in the zoo.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Tookie on his final appeal and set his execution date for December 13. Thus they disregarded 9 of the 24 Ninth Circuit Court judges' assertion that the District Attorney at Tookie's trial employed "reprehensible and unconstitutional" racist tactics, using animal-in-a-jungle metaphors to refer to Tookie and to the South Central environment in which he lived. This landmark ruling means that minorities can now legally be rejected from juries based on race. This is now the law of the land."
Just some info I found and read.
Maybe you should keep your words to yourself.. because im sure if you die.. your family and friends would appriate someone saying you should rot in hell.
Sad part is.. the man probally did way more in jail than you will ever do in your life time.
how do you know he killed anyone?... he could never be placed at the scene of the crime.. thats circumstantial evidence...
He was a peacemaker once in jail.. not only when his execution date was coming.. but the whole time... sorry if you did not get that the first time..
He has been nominated 5 times for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in helping to prevent gang violence.
He has been nominated four times for the Nobel Literature Prize for his children's books that warn young people about the pitfalls of joining a gang and exposes them to alternatives.
"The prosecutor in Tookie's original case removed three African-American jurors from the jury. During Stan's trial, this prosecutor made racially-coded remarks during his closing argument, comparing Stan during the trial to a Bengal tiger in the zoo.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Tookie on his final appeal and set his execution date for December 13. Thus they disregarded 9 of the 24 Ninth Circuit Court judges' assertion that the District Attorney at Tookie's trial employed "reprehensible and unconstitutional" racist tactics, using animal-in-a-jungle metaphors to refer to Tookie and to the South Central environment in which he lived. This landmark ruling means that minorities can now legally be rejected from juries based on race. This is now the law of the land."
Just some info I found and read.
Maybe you should keep your words to yourself.. because im sure if you die.. your family and friends would appriate someone saying you should rot in hell.
Sad part is.. the man probally did way more in jail than you will ever do in your life time.
13-Dec-2005, 12:46 PM
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I still feel for Stan Tookie Williams. Yes he has done bad things, but the man has clearly reformed. He is nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for all his work. I think he would have done much more good then bad if kept alive. Of course this does not resolve him from his wrong doings, but hey I believe in forgiveness not an eye for an eye. To me execution is no better then the person being executed (it's still murder) But that's just my opinion.
Just a note to think about... The Bush government has killed thousands of innocent people, but do people see him as a murderer? No .. why? because apparently what he has done is "Legal" but really its all the same. So Don't judge Tookie for his troubled past. Especially since his conviction was not black and white on whether or not he had commited the crime.
Just a note to think about... The Bush government has killed thousands of innocent people, but do people see him as a murderer? No .. why? because apparently what he has done is "Legal" but really its all the same. So Don't judge Tookie for his troubled past. Especially since his conviction was not black and white on whether or not he had commited the crime.
13-Dec-2005, 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Moe_Mentum
I still feel for Stan Tookie Williams. Yes he has done bad things, but the man has clearly reformed. He is nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for all his work. I think he would have done much more good then bad if kept alive. Of course this does not resolve him from his wrong doings, but hey I believe in forgiveness not an eye for an eye. To me execution is no better then the person being executed (it's still murder) But that's just my opinion.
Just a note to think about... The Bush government has killed thousands of innocent people, but do people see him as a murderer? No .. why? because apparently what he has done is "Legal" but really its all the same. So Don't judge Tookie for his troubled past. Especially since his conviction was not black and white on whether or not he had commited the crime.
I still feel for Stan Tookie Williams. Yes he has done bad things, but the man has clearly reformed. He is nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for all his work. I think he would have done much more good then bad if kept alive. Of course this does not resolve him from his wrong doings, but hey I believe in forgiveness not an eye for an eye. To me execution is no better then the person being executed (it's still murder) But that's just my opinion.
Just a note to think about... The Bush government has killed thousands of innocent people, but do people see him as a murderer? No .. why? because apparently what he has done is "Legal" but really its all the same. So Don't judge Tookie for his troubled past. Especially since his conviction was not black and white on whether or not he had commited the crime.
13-Dec-2005, 01:30 PM
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who cares, as long as it aint me dying I could care less...so when is the public execution of sadaam?...i think all executions should be public or atleast pay per view or some kind of specialty channel, that would be sick!
lol you obviously dont watch al jazeera!
lol you obviously dont watch al jazeera!
13-Dec-2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by climax
Sad part is.. the man probally did way more in jail than you will ever do in your life time.
Sad part is.. the man probally did way more in jail than you will ever do in your life time.
but you are right, i do not plan to start any organized crime rings that hold entire neighbourhoods in poverty and fear
13-Dec-2005, 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by ERTW
now you are just making assumptions..
but you are right, i do not plan to start any organized crime rings that hold entire neighbourhoods in poverty and fear
now you are just making assumptions..
but you are right, i do not plan to start any organized crime rings that hold entire neighbourhoods in poverty and fear
13-Dec-2005, 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by climax
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Tookie on his final appeal and set his execution date for December 13. Thus they disregarded 9 of the 24 Ninth Circuit Court judges' assertion that the District Attorney at Tookie's trial employed "reprehensible and unconstitutional" racist tactics, using animal-in-a-jungle metaphors to refer to Tookie and to the South Central environment in which he lived. This landmark ruling means that minorities can now legally be rejected from juries based on race. This is now the law of the land."
Just some info I found and read.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Tookie on his final appeal and set his execution date for December 13. Thus they disregarded 9 of the 24 Ninth Circuit Court judges' assertion that the District Attorney at Tookie's trial employed "reprehensible and unconstitutional" racist tactics, using animal-in-a-jungle metaphors to refer to Tookie and to the South Central environment in which he lived. This landmark ruling means that minorities can now legally be rejected from juries based on race. This is now the law of the land."
Just some info I found and read.
He's been found guilty.. received the death penalty.. by a court of a country that is still in existance under pretty much the same laws and has so far stood the test of time and politics.
You're judgement as to his guilt is absolutely meaningless.
Are you suggesting we overturn all judgements of murderers and rapists from 20-30 years ago just in case they might have not had a fair trial by today's standards?
You're forgetting the principle of democracy is the protection of the ruling majority, not whining over the unfortunate few...
It's time to learn and move on to better things.
13-Dec-2005, 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by J
you're a very close mined person aren't you
you're a very close mined person aren't you
13-Dec-2005, 02:24 PM
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doing well for yourself has nothing to do with doing things right
13-Dec-2005, 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by ERTW
now you are just making assumptions..
but you are right, i do not plan to start any organized crime rings that hold entire neighbourhoods in poverty and fear
now you are just making assumptions..
but you are right, i do not plan to start any organized crime rings that hold entire neighbourhoods in poverty and fear
you do all realize that he wasnt convicted "back in the day when things were different" it was in the early 80's. You do all realize he killed a man named albert owens, then bragged about it, went back to LA, killed a family of 3 operating a hotel...then threatened jurers at the trial saying "im gonna get each and every one of you mother ****ers"
also in jail he started fights, threatened guards, threw acid at guards to try to blind them
he also has a son (a crip) who was recently convicted of murder..
oh yeah but i forgot, he reformed! now was this before or after he refused to give police any information on the crips gang..(it was before)..he wouldnt give up any information on the gang police are trying to stop, and he claims he is trying to stop also
Sorry but this guy is a cold hearted SOB
13-Dec-2005, 04:43 PM
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this dude created and led one of the worst gangs ever. innocent, i think not.
btw.. i think they are going to air it on Starz in Black and possibly BET tonight.
btw.. i think they are going to air it on Starz in Black and possibly BET tonight.
13-Dec-2005, 05:50 PM
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If a Black Man Dies in America, Does It Make a Sound?
"After witnessing the government's reaction to Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans it seems that our nation is comfortable with stranding its black population.."
By Nata Mezmer
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Most of those who support his state sponsored murder do not live in war torn regions of the Golden State of California. Thus it is difficult for these privileged people to understand the benefits of Stan's contributions on behalf of non-violence. However, because blacks are sentenced to death twice as frequently as whites who've been convicted of the same crime it appears that this may be more than a misunderstanding.
If a young black man is shot in South Central does it make a sound in Thousand Oaks?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Stan was convicted of four murders 25 years ago in connection with armed-robbery however the key witnesses were felons who recieved 'benefits' in exchange for their testimony. ( facts of the case). I have encountered many people who say that since Stan was a gang-banger and a co-founder of the Crips that such facts alone should condemn him despite his transformation. This notion is almost laughable if it were not so dubious, especially in light of the fact that our own country, the United States of America, is currently disguising the hostile takeover of oil-rich Iraq as a righteous crusade for freedom.
If a young black man is shot in Hunter's Point does it make a sound in Hillsborough?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? The current administration in the White House is the most mafia regime in the history of the country and is thus run by some of the biggest gangsters in the world. The war in Iraq, a war based on falsehoods and conspiracies, collusion and neglegence, has been responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent civilians and has taken the lives of more than 2,100 US soldiers. This being said, no one is calling for the execution of the president?
If a young black man is shot in Watts does it make a sound in Orange County?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Indeed, lessons in retribution and justice in the form of war and execution never seem to get the job done. After, 9/11 we haphazardly attacked two countries, enraging large portions of the global community and subsequently created a greater terror threat than had existed before. Maybe if we had stopped to understand why the attacks had occurred in the first place our nation and its soldiers would not be in the same deadly predicament? Furthermore, becasue violence begets violence, as the bumper sticker says, "why do we kill people who kill people, to show that killing people is wrong?"
If a young black man is shot in Richmond does it make a sound in the Oakland hills?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Unlike the Christian re-birth of President Bush, the spiritual re-awakening of Stan Tookie Williams has been synonymous with peace. As documented, over 150 youth have pledged that Stan's writings and works have been responsible for their decision to remove themselves from the gang life. Since, 2001 Stan Tookie Williams has been nominated for 5 Nobel Peace Prizes and has won several awards for his work concerning non-violence. In that same time George W Bush has managed to invade two countries in the middle-east.
If a young black man is shot in South Sacramento does it make a sound in Granite Bay?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? After witnessing the government's reaction to Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans it seems that our nation is comfortable with stranding its black population. Although the tragedy did eventually spawn some national concern, we have since failed to address the real problem that blacks have been drowning in America for years. Thus the very fact that blacks are left to fend for themselves in ghettos and slums across the country does not bode well for an individual of the same color, who speaks out about such injustice and who's ultimate fate rests in the hands of the same people and the same system that creates such inequality.
If a black man is murdered in America does it make a sound?
"After witnessing the government's reaction to Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans it seems that our nation is comfortable with stranding its black population.."
By Nata Mezmer
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Most of those who support his state sponsored murder do not live in war torn regions of the Golden State of California. Thus it is difficult for these privileged people to understand the benefits of Stan's contributions on behalf of non-violence. However, because blacks are sentenced to death twice as frequently as whites who've been convicted of the same crime it appears that this may be more than a misunderstanding.
If a young black man is shot in South Central does it make a sound in Thousand Oaks?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Stan was convicted of four murders 25 years ago in connection with armed-robbery however the key witnesses were felons who recieved 'benefits' in exchange for their testimony. ( facts of the case). I have encountered many people who say that since Stan was a gang-banger and a co-founder of the Crips that such facts alone should condemn him despite his transformation. This notion is almost laughable if it were not so dubious, especially in light of the fact that our own country, the United States of America, is currently disguising the hostile takeover of oil-rich Iraq as a righteous crusade for freedom.
If a young black man is shot in Hunter's Point does it make a sound in Hillsborough?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? The current administration in the White House is the most mafia regime in the history of the country and is thus run by some of the biggest gangsters in the world. The war in Iraq, a war based on falsehoods and conspiracies, collusion and neglegence, has been responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent civilians and has taken the lives of more than 2,100 US soldiers. This being said, no one is calling for the execution of the president?
If a young black man is shot in Watts does it make a sound in Orange County?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Indeed, lessons in retribution and justice in the form of war and execution never seem to get the job done. After, 9/11 we haphazardly attacked two countries, enraging large portions of the global community and subsequently created a greater terror threat than had existed before. Maybe if we had stopped to understand why the attacks had occurred in the first place our nation and its soldiers would not be in the same deadly predicament? Furthermore, becasue violence begets violence, as the bumper sticker says, "why do we kill people who kill people, to show that killing people is wrong?"
If a young black man is shot in Richmond does it make a sound in the Oakland hills?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? Unlike the Christian re-birth of President Bush, the spiritual re-awakening of Stan Tookie Williams has been synonymous with peace. As documented, over 150 youth have pledged that Stan's writings and works have been responsible for their decision to remove themselves from the gang life. Since, 2001 Stan Tookie Williams has been nominated for 5 Nobel Peace Prizes and has won several awards for his work concerning non-violence. In that same time George W Bush has managed to invade two countries in the middle-east.
If a young black man is shot in South Sacramento does it make a sound in Granite Bay?
If Stan Tookie Williams is executed tomorrow who will feel the negative effects? After witnessing the government's reaction to Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans it seems that our nation is comfortable with stranding its black population. Although the tragedy did eventually spawn some national concern, we have since failed to address the real problem that blacks have been drowning in America for years. Thus the very fact that blacks are left to fend for themselves in ghettos and slums across the country does not bode well for an individual of the same color, who speaks out about such injustice and who's ultimate fate rests in the hands of the same people and the same system that creates such inequality.
If a black man is murdered in America does it make a sound?
13-Dec-2005, 05:53 PM
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if a murderer kills 4 people in cold blood, do their screams get heard?
if a murderer kills 4 people in cold blood, do their screams get heard?
13-Dec-2005, 05:56 PM
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Probably not... Ask bush who murdered XXX XXX amount of Iraqi's. Why isn't he on death row?
13-Dec-2005, 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Untouchable
Probably not... Ask bush who murdered XXX XXX amount of Iraqi's. Why isn't he on death row?
Probably not... Ask bush who murdered XXX XXX amount of Iraqi's. Why isn't he on death row?
that's like asking why tookie wasn't on death row while he was in the middle of his blood bath... he had to be caught, and prosecuted and convicted, then held on death row for years to come...
give bush a chance to finish his work.. maybe he will write some interesting books and win prizes in his retirement too.. then you wontbe able to badmouth him because "he has reedemed himself"
13-Dec-2005, 06:05 PM
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You fail to see the rhetoric in my question. Bush is a white powerful man. Stan Tookie was a black man in jail. See the difference or do you need me to draw it out for you on MS Paint?
13-Dec-2005, 06:06 PM
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Let us look at history. Please name me some powerful white men who have been convicted of murder via the death penalty?
13-Dec-2005, 06:07 PM
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I think your WHITE bed sheets are dry. Good timing it's almost night time. haha
13-Dec-2005, 06:20 PM
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bunch of bleeding hearts....
stop pretending to really care about tookie....he chose his path.
stop pretending to really care about tookie....he chose his path.
13-Dec-2005, 06:28 PM
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I do not care. I am simply pointing the hypocracy of white crime vs black crime.
