stupid raptors
27-Jun-2003, 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by 1Solid_DX
that is the stupidest thing i ever heard, color has nothing to do with it, there is so many good white players in the NBA ie. Steve Nash, Keith Van Horn, Vlade Divac and the #2 pick last night (Darko Milicic) is gonna be one of the best centers in the NBA in a few years...
that is the stupidest thing i ever heard, color has nothing to do with it, there is so many good white players in the NBA ie. Steve Nash, Keith Van Horn, Vlade Divac and the #2 pick last night (Darko Milicic) is gonna be one of the best centers in the NBA in a few years...
27-Jun-2003, 12:02 PM
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I was assuming he was white because last I hear they were set on some white english guy. If you guys are gonna cuss at me cause I used the term white boy then ok go right ahead. The fact is that the majority of good nba players are not white. Yes aleks you named the 4 good white players in the NBA and I wouldnt consider divacs and Milicic white, they are euro players. No matter what the raptors are gonna suck, when they lost T-mac they just went downhill. The GM needs to get rid of vince and start fresh cause pretty much the raps arent going anywhere.
27-Jun-2003, 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
I was assuming he was white because last I hear they were set on some white english guy. If you guys are gonna cuss at me cause I used the term white boy then ok go right ahead. The fact is that the majority of good nba players are not white. Yes aleks you named the 4 good white players in the NBA and I wouldnt consider divacs and Milicic white, they are euro players. No matter what the raptors are gonna suck, when they lost T-mac they just went downhill. The GM needs to get rid of vince and start fresh cause pretty much the raps arent going anywhere.
I was assuming he was white because last I hear they were set on some white english guy. If you guys are gonna cuss at me cause I used the term white boy then ok go right ahead. The fact is that the majority of good nba players are not white. Yes aleks you named the 4 good white players in the NBA and I wouldnt consider divacs and Milicic white, they are euro players. No matter what the raptors are gonna suck, when they lost T-mac they just went downhill. The GM needs to get rid of vince and start fresh cause pretty much the raps arent going anywhere.
WRONG!!
The Raps are not 'gonna suck'. They've made some changes, like a new coach who is one of the best defensive masterminds in the league. A young 19 year-old rookie who has a lot of potential in Chris Bosh. He's very versatile, has a good low post game and can shoot from the outside. (not many 6'10 guys can shoot three *****) He might not be a star right away, it'll take some time to develop, he needs more muscle. They are also looking to release some of the big contracts, like Antonio Davis, Jerome Williams or Lamond Murray to try to land a big name player that can produce more. Trading Vince is out of the question, he still has a lot of potential and I think with the new head coach Vince is gonna bring a different attitude to the floor.
So please guys, don't bash the Raptors. They are looking to improve and do some research before you start talking smack!
Give them a shot.
27-Jun-2003, 01:56 PM
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Ok there are a ton of gus who are 6'11" who can shoot the 3 ball. This guy isnt gonna bring immediate changes to the raptors and I dont think he will benefit them down the road either. It seems they also picked up some 7'2 european centre. Sounds like another Mamadou pick-up. I would take jerome williams and antonio davis over vince anyday. maybe 2 years ago vince was good, but he is so injury prone now that there is no point in keeping him. He isnt anywhere near the caliber of say a Kob Bryant or tracy McGrady. He cant carry the entire team on his shoulders and win. A new coach isnt gonna do much for the raptors, especially since Lenny Wilkins is one of the best coaches ever. Dont act like you know everything when you really dont. Raps need to rebuild soon or we will just have another season with 10 day contract players.....which would probably work out better than having vince.
27-Jun-2003, 03:49 PM
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With all due respect, do you watch any bball at all?
Is that why the general concensus amongst experts was that Bosh has the biggest upside/potential outside of the big three?
I hope that was a joke. I love JYD, but the most he will ever be is a 10/10 guy like he is now. Don't get me started on AD. I'd dump him for an expiring contract. He does nothing but jack up 15ft bricks and refuses to take the ball to the rack unless it's his two-handed dunk, which happens to be his only move. He has stone hands and terrible footwork. He's worth no more than $7M per year. To put things in perspective, he doesn't put up better numbers than JYD, yet he makes $12M per year. Also, I'm sick of his "Canada sucks" attitute and all the stupid comments he's made over the last few years.
Give him a chance. Did you watch any games when he returned? His scoring was down a bit, but so were his shots per game. When you have AD and Voshon bricking up 10-15 shots per game each, there aren't enough shots to go around. VC's defense, blocking, and passing were also much improved. Lenny's offensive system, or lack thereof, was terrible. Any offense that doesn't run the ball through VC is terrible. The basis of the Raps offense is simple. VC should touch the ball on every possession. Whether he shoots or not is a different story. When he gets the ball, he draws double teams. Double teams mean other players are left wide open for a shot. Did Lenny do this? Not even close.
And TMac or Kobe have carried their teams? TMac has not shown anything to date, and Kobe hasn't won anything without Shaq (remember the beginning of last season?).
So you're saying that a defensive/offensive system has no bearing on the performance of the team? How would that explain Detroit's record for the past two seasons despite having Richard Hamilton as their first option? It's called Kevin O'Neill's defensive system.
Consider that Lenny had absolutely no offensive or defensive system in place. If he did, it was pretty damned pathetic. I equate Lenny to an IT guy who graduated at the top of his class 10 years ago, but hasn't bothered to keep up-to-date with current technology. He was good, but his time has passed.
Originally posted by scarlemthug
[B]Ok there are a ton of gus who are 6'11" who can shoot the 3 ball. This guy isnt gonna bring immediate changes to the raptors and I dont think he will benefit them down the road either.
[B]Ok there are a ton of gus who are 6'11" who can shoot the 3 ball. This guy isnt gonna bring immediate changes to the raptors and I dont think he will benefit them down the road either.
I would take jerome williams and antonio davis over vince anyday.
maybe 2 years ago vince was good, but he is so injury prone now that there is no point in keeping him. He isnt anywhere near the caliber of say a Kob Bryant or tracy McGrady.
He cant carry the entire team on his shoulders and win.
A new coach isnt gonna do much for the raptors, especially since Lenny Wilkins is one of the best coaches ever.
Consider that Lenny had absolutely no offensive or defensive system in place. If he did, it was pretty damned pathetic. I equate Lenny to an IT guy who graduated at the top of his class 10 years ago, but hasn't bothered to keep up-to-date with current technology. He was good, but his time has passed.
27-Jun-2003, 04:20 PM
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Bosh was an excellent choice considering the Raptors NEEDS and having 4th pick. Now nothing is finalized... there is a high demand for him so they can trade him at a later date with someone else... He will eventually get bigger, everyone does after 18. Even look at shaq when he first came into the league, so was skinny as hell compared to what he is now.....
As for the tall white guy, all I have to say is you never know... It's a second round pick, you might as well chance it with a big guy. You just never know if they will develop into something dependable. Good dependable big guys are hard to come by.
And when your that big and tall you don't need to jump....
As for the tall white guy, all I have to say is you never know... It's a second round pick, you might as well chance it with a big guy. You just never know if they will develop into something dependable. Good dependable big guys are hard to come by.
And when your that big and tall you don't need to jump....
27-Jun-2003, 04:47 PM
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Yeah actually I do watch alot of bball man........I also play alot of basketball. Vince isnt gonna get any better, he was at his prime 2 years ago and now his injuries just keep coming more frequently. Obviously you have no respect for talent, AD is an amazing veteran and he is 1 of the more important players for the raps. Sure he doesnt like playing in Toronto, especially when the "star" of the raps is out half the season. Did you not watch the playoffs or check the scoring leaders for the NBA? Who was on the top of that, by any chance was it Kobe and Tracy Mcgrady. T-mac carried his team this whole season and he even brought em to the playoffs.....something vince cant really say. I could point out numerous 6'11" + guys who can shoot the 3 well.....just to mention a few rasheed wallace, dirk navitzki, yao ming(back in china) and Kevin Garnett.
Vince doesnt even demand a double team anymore.....he isnt Kevin Garnett man. Teams dont have a need to double team him when all they gotta do is stick a bruce bowen on him and he has little to no scoring. Maybe you should be an NBA coach if you feel you know so much more than Lenny Wilkins.
All your points are pretty much false so it doesnt really matter to me. All your doing is flaming on me cause I think that the raptors coulda done better with there pick and they should drop vince. The raps only hope next year for playoffs was to get milicic or James.....and that didnt happen so I guess we will be waiting for another year for some new guy.
Vince doesnt even demand a double team anymore.....he isnt Kevin Garnett man. Teams dont have a need to double team him when all they gotta do is stick a bruce bowen on him and he has little to no scoring. Maybe you should be an NBA coach if you feel you know so much more than Lenny Wilkins.
All your points are pretty much false so it doesnt really matter to me. All your doing is flaming on me cause I think that the raptors coulda done better with there pick and they should drop vince. The raps only hope next year for playoffs was to get milicic or James.....and that didnt happen so I guess we will be waiting for another year for some new guy.
27-Jun-2003, 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by sugarcane
Lenny looks like he doesn't give a **** anymore....toss him!
Lenny looks like he doesn't give a **** anymore....toss him!
27-Jun-2003, 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by SW20 MR2
With all due respect, do you watch any bball at all?
Is that why the general concensus amongst experts was that Bosh has the biggest upside/potential outside of the big three?
I hope that was a joke. I love JYD, but the most he will ever be is a 10/10 guy like he is now. Don't get me started on AD. I'd dump him for an expiring contract. He does nothing but jack up 15ft bricks and refuses to take the ball to the rack unless it's his two-handed dunk, which happens to be his only move. He has stone hands and terrible footwork. He's worth no more than $7M per year. To put things in perspective, he doesn't put up better numbers than JYD, yet he makes $12M per year. Also, I'm sick of his "Canada sucks" attitute and all the stupid comments he's made over the last few years.
Give him a chance. Did you watch any games when he returned? His scoring was down a bit, but so were his shots per game. When you have AD and Voshon bricking up 10-15 shots per game each, there aren't enough shots to go around. VC's defense, blocking, and passing were also much improved. Lenny's offensive system, or lack thereof, was terrible. Any offense that doesn't run the ball through VC is terrible. The basis of the Raps offense is simple. VC should touch the ball on every possession. Whether he shoots or not is a different story. When he gets the ball, he draws double teams. Double teams mean other players are left wide open for a shot. Did Lenny do this? Not even close.
And TMac or Kobe have carried their teams? TMac has not shown anything to date, and Kobe hasn't won anything without Shaq (remember the beginning of last season?).
So you're saying that a defensive/offensive system has no bearing on the performance of the team? How would that explain Detroit's record for the past two seasons despite having Richard Hamilton as their first option? It's called Kevin O'Neill's defensive system.
Consider that Lenny had absolutely no offensive or defensive system in place. If he did, it was pretty damned pathetic. I equate Lenny to an IT guy who graduated at the top of his class 10 years ago, but hasn't bothered to keep up-to-date with current technology. He was good, but his time has passed.
With all due respect, do you watch any bball at all?
Is that why the general concensus amongst experts was that Bosh has the biggest upside/potential outside of the big three?
I hope that was a joke. I love JYD, but the most he will ever be is a 10/10 guy like he is now. Don't get me started on AD. I'd dump him for an expiring contract. He does nothing but jack up 15ft bricks and refuses to take the ball to the rack unless it's his two-handed dunk, which happens to be his only move. He has stone hands and terrible footwork. He's worth no more than $7M per year. To put things in perspective, he doesn't put up better numbers than JYD, yet he makes $12M per year. Also, I'm sick of his "Canada sucks" attitute and all the stupid comments he's made over the last few years.
Give him a chance. Did you watch any games when he returned? His scoring was down a bit, but so were his shots per game. When you have AD and Voshon bricking up 10-15 shots per game each, there aren't enough shots to go around. VC's defense, blocking, and passing were also much improved. Lenny's offensive system, or lack thereof, was terrible. Any offense that doesn't run the ball through VC is terrible. The basis of the Raps offense is simple. VC should touch the ball on every possession. Whether he shoots or not is a different story. When he gets the ball, he draws double teams. Double teams mean other players are left wide open for a shot. Did Lenny do this? Not even close.
And TMac or Kobe have carried their teams? TMac has not shown anything to date, and Kobe hasn't won anything without Shaq (remember the beginning of last season?).
So you're saying that a defensive/offensive system has no bearing on the performance of the team? How would that explain Detroit's record for the past two seasons despite having Richard Hamilton as their first option? It's called Kevin O'Neill's defensive system.
Consider that Lenny had absolutely no offensive or defensive system in place. If he did, it was pretty damned pathetic. I equate Lenny to an IT guy who graduated at the top of his class 10 years ago, but hasn't bothered to keep up-to-date with current technology. He was good, but his time has passed.
Finally someone who knows some ball... dude we got to go watch some games together man...
27-Jun-2003, 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
Yeah actually I do watch alot of bball man........I also play alot of basketball. Vince isnt gonna get any better, he was at his prime 2 years ago and now his injuries just keep coming more frequently.
Yeah actually I do watch alot of bball man........I also play alot of basketball. Vince isnt gonna get any better, he was at his prime 2 years ago and now his injuries just keep coming more frequently.
If he goes down again this year with the new coaching staff and training regiment, then it's time to trade him. Lenny's country club style just didn't work.
Obviously you have no respect for talent, AD is an amazing veteran and he is 1 of the more important players for the raps.
Did you not watch the playoffs or check the scoring leaders for the NBA? Who was on the top of that, by any chance was it Kobe and Tracy Mcgrady. T-mac carried his team this whole season and he even brought em to the playoffs.....something vince cant really say.
Maybe you should be an NBA coach if you feel you know so much more than Lenny Wilkins.
All your points are pretty much false so it doesnt really matter to me. All your doing is flaming on me cause I think that the raptors coulda done better with there pick and they should drop vince. The raps only hope next year for playoffs was to get milicic or James.....and that didnt happen so I guess we will be waiting for another year for some new guy.
The NBA is a different animal than all of the other leagues. Also, the Raps made the playoffs the year before with basically the same team. I don't see a reason why they can't finish 7th or 8th with the current lineup.
BTW, no flames here.
