stupid raptors
27-Jun-2003, 06:04 PM
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AD does NOT have talent. If you call a 41% FG% with stone hands and no footwork talent, then I don't really have much else to say. A PF/C should be within 10ft of the basket. Why he sits out at 10-15ft and takes jumpers, I have no idea. He's averaging just over 8 rebounds per game. Other guys in the league (even non-superstar PF's and C's like Donyell Marshall, PJ Brown, Jamaal Magloire, etc) all average approximately the same, but they have a way higher FG% and make less money.
Regardless of who we drafted, nothing is guaranteed, even LeBron. Milicic can be considered somewhat of a project just like Bosh. Who would you have liked them to pick? Ford? Kaman?
The NBA is a different animal than all of the other leagues. Also, the Raps made the playoffs the year before with basically the same team. I don't see a reason why they can't finish 7th or 8th with the current lineup.
The NBA is a different animal than all of the other leagues. Also, the Raps made the playoffs the year before with basically the same team. I don't see a reason why they can't finish 7th or 8th with the current lineup.
. Something along those lines.The raptors MIGHT come 8th next year in the eastern conference if there lucky. I highly doubt they will do anything this season. Everyone needs to start forgetting about Vince.....he won the dunk competetion a few years ago....hes a flop now.
Yes, I watched a bit of the playoffs this year. Having the highest PPG doesn't mean a thing. TMac, as good as he is, hasn't done a single thing for the Magic. They haven't even won a playoff series yet. I'm not saying that TMac is a bad player. In fact, he's awesome. However, just because you can score doesn't mean you can make the team a winner. At least Vince has taken the Raps to within a shot of the conference finals.
27-Jun-2003, 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
Donyell Marshall is one of the better PF's in the league, They make less money because the teams have people to carry them. Whereas the raptors wasted a **** load of money on signing vince long term and he hasnt produced ****.
Donyell Marshall is one of the better PF's in the league, They make less money because the teams have people to carry them. Whereas the raptors wasted a **** load of money on signing vince long term and he hasnt produced ****.
Well, for the Bulls, I don't think you can say they have a great team when it consists of Crawford, Curry, Marshall, Rose, Chandler, and Robinson. The reason why AD is overpaid is because Grunwald was under intense pressure that summer and had to open the vault to sign AD, AW, and JYD.
I would have chosen to trade vince and the 4th pick for a someone from another team and another decent player. Maybe like a Rasheed Wallace and Derek Anderson for Vince and the 4th pick woulda been smart. Something along those lines.
. Something along those lines.
hes a flop now.
I am pretty sure that Tmac carried the Magic to almost beating the # 1 team in the east. The only reason they didnt make it far is because they lack depth. As I recall it was not vicne that brought em to the conference final but it was him who took the last shot and lost it for them.
He chose to sit out this season, he didnt train to get back into good condition to play and thats y he needs to be traded.
27-Jun-2003, 06:40 PM
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28-Jun-2003, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by SW20 MR2
With all due respect, do you watch any bball at all?
Is that why the general concensus amongst experts was that Bosh has the biggest upside/potential outside of the big three?
I hope that was a joke. I love JYD, but the most he will ever be is a 10/10 guy like he is now. Don't get me started on AD. I'd dump him for an expiring contract. He does nothing but jack up 15ft bricks and refuses to take the ball to the rack unless it's his two-handed dunk, which happens to be his only move. He has stone hands and terrible footwork. He's worth no more than $7M per year. To put things in perspective, he doesn't put up better numbers than JYD, yet he makes $12M per year. Also, I'm sick of his "Canada sucks" attitute and all the stupid comments he's made over the last few years.
Give him a chance. Did you watch any games when he returned? His scoring was down a bit, but so were his shots per game. When you have AD and Voshon bricking up 10-15 shots per game each, there aren't enough shots to go around. VC's defense, blocking, and passing were also much improved. Lenny's offensive system, or lack thereof, was terrible. Any offense that doesn't run the ball through VC is terrible. The basis of the Raps offense is simple. VC should touch the ball on every possession. Whether he shoots or not is a different story. When he gets the ball, he draws double teams. Double teams mean other players are left wide open for a shot. Did Lenny do this? Not even close.
And TMac or Kobe have carried their teams? TMac has not shown anything to date, and Kobe hasn't won anything without Shaq (remember the beginning of last season?).
So you're saying that a defensive/offensive system has no bearing on the performance of the team? How would that explain Detroit's record for the past two seasons despite having Richard Hamilton as their first option? It's called Kevin O'Neill's defensive system.
Consider that Lenny had absolutely no offensive or defensive system in place. If he did, it was pretty damned pathetic. I equate Lenny to an IT guy who graduated at the top of his class 10 years ago, but hasn't bothered to keep up-to-date with current technology. He was good, but his time has passed.
With all due respect, do you watch any bball at all?
Is that why the general concensus amongst experts was that Bosh has the biggest upside/potential outside of the big three?
I hope that was a joke. I love JYD, but the most he will ever be is a 10/10 guy like he is now. Don't get me started on AD. I'd dump him for an expiring contract. He does nothing but jack up 15ft bricks and refuses to take the ball to the rack unless it's his two-handed dunk, which happens to be his only move. He has stone hands and terrible footwork. He's worth no more than $7M per year. To put things in perspective, he doesn't put up better numbers than JYD, yet he makes $12M per year. Also, I'm sick of his "Canada sucks" attitute and all the stupid comments he's made over the last few years.
Give him a chance. Did you watch any games when he returned? His scoring was down a bit, but so were his shots per game. When you have AD and Voshon bricking up 10-15 shots per game each, there aren't enough shots to go around. VC's defense, blocking, and passing were also much improved. Lenny's offensive system, or lack thereof, was terrible. Any offense that doesn't run the ball through VC is terrible. The basis of the Raps offense is simple. VC should touch the ball on every possession. Whether he shoots or not is a different story. When he gets the ball, he draws double teams. Double teams mean other players are left wide open for a shot. Did Lenny do this? Not even close.
And TMac or Kobe have carried their teams? TMac has not shown anything to date, and Kobe hasn't won anything without Shaq (remember the beginning of last season?).
So you're saying that a defensive/offensive system has no bearing on the performance of the team? How would that explain Detroit's record for the past two seasons despite having Richard Hamilton as their first option? It's called Kevin O'Neill's defensive system.
Consider that Lenny had absolutely no offensive or defensive system in place. If he did, it was pretty damned pathetic. I equate Lenny to an IT guy who graduated at the top of his class 10 years ago, but hasn't bothered to keep up-to-date with current technology. He was good, but his time has passed.
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