imported_CRXXX

car looks ALRIGHT....but toyota working with chev? are they trying to give them selfs a bad name?

Dr.K

Never underestimate GM. They are a Billion dollar company. We all think there crap. But not everyone is a car enthusiast. 8 out of 10 people don't even like car's. They don't care what they drive. GM cater's to the everyday joe. That's why there brand image is suffering. Lame car's. There trying to grab some of the Youth market before it hurt's them later on. And GM can still make a good product. Look at the Z06. That car can spank ANY exotic this side of an Enzo. You get the Performance of a GT2 Porsche at almost 1/3rd the price. And look at the LS1 camaro's/firebird's. Name me another car that will hit 12's with just bolt on's!!!!!!!!! and were talking All motor here as well. GM as a company is just cautious. There lame everyday car's and there product line just make's us car enthusiast's look the other way. Thing's are changing though. I think in 10 year's GM will offer more enthusiast car's. I mean Honda is even losing out because of there pedestrian offering's. Real Enthusiast's are buying CobaltSS's/Redline's or SRT-4's. Right now those car's are untouchable. No other company's offer a car that sporty that's even CLOSE in performance...
damn....mad off topic.......A Million sticker's on your stock ride is RICE!!!!

imported_Hybridtheory

my only beef with GM/Dodge/Ford is the initial quality, and the cheap interiors.


dodge owned all the imports at their own game with the SRT-4

Dr.K

Any $30,000 car that can spank a recent Ferrari or Porsche with factory part's is a revelation in the car world. And Under warranty no less!!!!!!!! Every true car enthusiast should give the SRT-4 respect for what it is and what its capable of. There is no"Its a Neon" argument anymore.

stock94block

the thing is you're comparing the LS1 which is a 5.7 liter engine to car manufacturers that dont even make them that big, of course its going to run 12's with bolt ons

and steveZ, they cant enter a cav into the fuel economy market…the thing only gets 22-23mpg city on a good day, i swear you just search forums for the word "cavalier," see where it comes up..then stick up for the car until death...go join a J-body club dude

as for rice, you have to see it..then you know.

Nova_Dust

I think SRT-4 is not a bad car, not a car I would own or anything, but respect is given where it is due.

Nova_Dust

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czeto

If I had to define rice, I would say stick on racing gas cap and dual exhaust with shoulderpads with LED sprayers dual chrome wipers smaller than stock rims just because they're rims body work done with play doh

Younes Si

your always talking about all motor this and all motor that...backing up the big 3 everytime somthing like this comes up...explain to me how the SRT-4 is all motor......cough cough, did we forget about the turbo it comes with? oh is that considered all motor still?

SteveZ

true the srt-4 isnt all motor, but its also stock. so stock for stock in its price range its one of the leaders. plus a little mods and youve got a pretty quick car. chrysler/dodge domestic or not, its a good car and should get the respect it deserves.

and stock94block, did you even read what i wrote. how was i "sticking up for my car until death" when i agreed with the other guy that they stopped making it in japan due to lack of sales. are you illiterate or just ignorant. read carefully next time.

spracingsports

did i miss something?? since when can an srt4 spank a ferrari or porsche??? and if you are talking about the stage4 mopar kit and all the stuff that has to go along with it, and mopar suspension, and awesome tires, its nowhere near a $30,000 car anymore

czeto

True say. Off hand i'm not sure, but I think I read that the Stage III kit gets you 300 hp with and upgraded everything, and i'm pretty sure that for the price, you'd rather have a WRX STI. That way you wouldn't have people telling you that you spent 40 grand on a Peon SX er wutever they're called

Dr.K

Youne's I was talking about the Camaro being all motor. Not the Neon Obviously.
And SPRacing an SRT-4 with just bolt on's could spank any 308-328-348 Ferrari. Wreck any 993 Porsche and any generation before. It could probably even take the earlier Flat-12 Ferrari's in a close Sprint. You guy's forget the car is around 230 hp at the wheel's stock!!!!!!!!!!
But this is enough bench racing. A ricer pastime in itself. The SRT-4 own's you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Futher comment.

spracingsports

omfg youre a moron.

a. ferrari=much closer ratio tranny, aka QUICKER
b. ferrari=TRACK car, NOT drag car
c. 230 hp aint crap if you cant put it down
d. ferrari=mid engine/rwd, peon=front engine/fwd. ever heard of weight transfer on a launch (coupled with fat rear tires they have)


id like to see yo buy a peon and go to a ferarri meet with you wicked awesome 230 hp and WALK all over them

stock94block

-its cheap because its a NEON...are we all forgetting how well neons are built

-I read what you said. Think about it, why would I bother to respond with a post starting with "and SteveZ..." unless thats how I address all members on TCC Lack of sales because its garbage, hence my ""

I'm just pointing out the fact that when the word 'cavalier' pops up, you're here trying to put your car under the "I like" category of all the members on this board...defending it to the death. Its like me going to a Dodge Ram club and trying to convince them civics are cool; not going to happen. So go join a J-Body club.


and by reading this if you havent guessed it yet; ignorant.

SteveZ

aparently yes you are being ignorant, because if you look at my posts, hardly any have anything to do with cavaliers. most of them are in the performance section. also, when did i defend a cav even once in this thread. i said straight out they didnt sell, which is why they dont make toyota cavs anymore. stop trying to start sh*t and e-thug. but i guess that if i EVER say anything about positive a cav then i guess going nuts defending them. ah well.

Dr.K

Did you read that out of a Magazine? Have you driven a fast car? Sounds like you haven't. Ive seen a 160hp Caterham 7 DESTROY a Ferrari 328. AND THAT WAS A ROLLING START AS WELL!
You know Dick-all. The "peon" also has around 250lb-ft of Torque to the wheel's. Most older V8 Ferrari's don't even have a powerband that fat. The SRT will own all pre-355 V8 Ferrari's. On the road or the track. And what Ferrari's have a close ratio tranny? Have you ever looked at Ferrari Gearing? There geared to do 170+ mph. They don't accelerate that fast. Not as fast as a Lightly modded Turbo Mopar anyway's. Get your fact's straight before you start trying to blaze a car that you will never be faster than. Sounds like your bitter because I said a Neon is faster than alot of Ferrari's. Well wake up buddy because it is.
Oh and the Neon has LSD as well. It hook's up pretty damn good.
Stock for stock on a track a Mid engine car has an advatage but Give the Mopar some more boost and some suspension and Sticky tire's and you can watch it WALK ALL OVER a Ferrari.
And what do you know about handling?. Arent' you lowered on stock Shocks?........

MugenJDMCRX

your comparing apples to oranges here, the SRT4 gets respect because its cheap, GM knew it couldnt price it in the same range as some of the other cars which are equally quick because it wouldnt sell as well. As far as pre 355 Ferraris, there are quite a few that would put a hurting on an SRT4, its nothing special, get over it 2.4L and quite alot of boost, it better well be making the kinda power it is. Do this and that then that to an already quick car and of course its going to be fast. Just like just about anything. As far as handling and build quality, well the Type R is almost 10 years old and is superior. BTW : the C6 Z06 isnt going to be a cheap car by any means

Nova_Dust

Internet Racing, awesome.

Dr.K

More like Internet Ricing.......And the Z06 is expensive but its cheap considering it wreck's car's that are twice the Price.

And Dodge make's the SRT mugenboy. Learn your fact's.

Your all a bunch of ****ing Ricer's. I bet all the SRT hater's are the one's who have zero Performance mods and book around in 16 second civics. Maybe the SRT is too much for you. You would **** your pant's if you actually rode in something decently fast.
I spent every penny I have on a Swap. How can I argue with a Bunch of Punk's who don't even own a fast car? Or have even driven one for that matter?.............. But Nova Dust is right this is Internet racing and It must stop.
Just admit that the SRT own's and stop being ****ing Ricer's.
have a nice day.