imported_Lonely Racer

its sad when ppl's actions end up like this.... its stupid, unfair, and sad.... but its always like this it don't matter if its some one driving a moded honda or some thing else. how ppl see it is if one's like this the are all like this. in the end we end up paying for it.......

imported_SIR_Injected

lookin at that makes me sic that is such a nice car too! ... its not worth it to take it on the streets theres a time and place for this... doesnt anyone learn ... i guess its just the cycle thing theres always a new breed of idoits added to the list everyday! My Sympathy

imported_Lonely Racer

it was not really this bad how i see it untill the fast and furius came out it brught a lot of the idoits

JDM_RS

its sad but people learn from there actions **** HAPPENS leave the kid alonehe has enough **** on his back doesnt need all of u to start to.

street racing is gay.... they say take it to the track.. where theres a road block with cops checking every lil thing if they want us to go to the track leave us alone on the way there.. thats y people take there chances on the street cuz they'll get a ticket for something stupid at the road block on the way to the track or risk it on the street were sometimes there lucky or not

this is a serious problem to many 16-17 yr old fuken around until they hurt someone and then realize what there doing is stup!d

now a question for all you lil street racing punks

ARE YOU ONLY GOING TO STOP DRIVING DUMB AFTER YOU KILL SOMEONE OR URSELF?
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IS IT REALY WORTH IT TO RACE SOMEONE TO PROVE NOTHING?

you guys have to stop being immature and grow up and realize that one of these days ur going to screw ur life over cuz of this cr@p

PLEASE STOP

imported_MartinGouda

or worse, some one elses life

sol2nv

i jus gotta send my condolences to the little girl r.i.p to the parents.....i totally agree with what JDM_RS said i been goin up to cayuga now for 3 years and if u go past 12noon then they do have the mto and po po waitin on u to give u stoopid tickets so i dun think that is fair to the people that they say take it to the track...but anywayz my condolenes.....

Jay P

be smart with your mods... HTA is your friend.

JDM_RS

k we are smart with our modds the cops dont know crapp... i have a stock cx motor in my car he was tryin to give me tickets for an intake manifold thats stock on the car and he told me it was aftermarket then tried giv9ng me one for my stock intake piping the black plastic pipe with a cone filter at the end... then he was sayin i was to low my car doesnt rub anywhere and u can fit a finger inbetween the fender and tire and he bounce my car and it never touched and it says in the hta that as long as it doesnt touch any part of the body while stopped its good well they use there own judgement they dont look at the book

then he tried giving me a ticket for my exhaust which is a stock type r oem exhaust on my eg i told him its stock from another car he told me stop with the bull**** i know wut im talkin about

cops should be educated b4 issuing tickets which get dropped in court anyway

cops are scared to go after the guys with gun they want something easy like a honda with rims lol

imported_Zyepher

Why do you guys think it was the kids fault for the crash? The driver making the left hand turn should of looked properly in the first place.

Ryan

No martin they both were not members of the forum...

and from what i know so far guys..its not all "redrockits" fault...sure he was speeding and all...but it all could have been avoided if he was not speeding and the person making the left turn did not hesistate to make the turn...and from what i know he took the turn fast..then stoped and then decided to go again..which caused the accident...if he had stopped fully or just continued to go without the stopping in the middle he wold have be fine..and then again if "redrockit" was not speeding it could have been avoided...but its fully not his fault...
marco got bail at 50, 000 and his court is on june 12th or 13th if i remember ...

Double_B

It could have been avoided if they weren't speeding at all period. And as for your comment Zyepher, too bad we can't ask them exactly what they were doing when they made that turn.

Bottom line, both guys driving fast ****ed up no matter how you look at it.

All I hear is excuses for these two guys for their actions.

Ridiculous!

imported_Team Rukus

i dont think so there brian.
sure if you wanna factor in time and location and speed then yes it could have been avoided. but lets take the time of collision out of this puzzle and replay it with a speed limit of 60 the accident WOULD HAVE HAPPENED AGAIN.

why? because the couple/driver didnt check the intersection.

A car that is driving faster is EASIER to be located then a car that is driving SLOWER when approaching an intersection because things like headlights, car noise etc increase faster.

Double_B

True, but if they weren't speeding, what would have happened then? Would we be having this conversation?

Trust me, I have had an accident in an intersection, a woman ran a red light and I t boned her. My car was damaged bad in the front end and her car was damaged where her rear wheel was snapped off. Both cars damaged bad, but I was doing the speed limit. If I weren't I am sure I would not be writing this post today.

imported_Team Rukus

actually you know what you cant prove that if they were doing the speed limit that the couple would have survived.
the side of the car is easier to go in when it impacts a car then the front. that being said at 60 km an hr the driver HAS A GOOD CHANCE OF either beind dead or be parralized by now atleast.

When I was in grade 10 (dont remember how old) my dad made a left turn INTO A BUILDING COMPLEX and a guy who chose to overtake the line that gave way to my dad smashed into the side of my dads car while making the turn at less than 20km an hr had the passanger seat of my car with me in it crush the entire centre console and have the driver seat and passanger seat have a 2 inch gap. Think about that. If the guy came at 60km an hr i would be alive today.

Nova_Dust

Don't do excessive speeding, and check intersection before making a left turn.

Double_B

Would be or wouldn't be?

Anyways, the guy that is a friend of one of the culprits said if he was not speeding. I am sorry Jay, I understand what you are saying but bottom line, two people are dead and I truly believe if they were not speeding, this accident would still happen but with a different outcome.

imported_Team Rukus

WOULDNT be LOL.
my bad.


well technically speaking if the car was not speeding the accident might have not happen reason being TIME/DISTANCE of both cars.

imported_gatherer

did you take a Physics course in Highschool?

kinematics is all over this one...

first a car travelling at a slower rate of speed can come to a stop in less distance then a car travelling at a higher rate of speed, All other factors being equal.

Secondly the thing that kills in a collision is the differential in speed between the 2 objects that collide. a car travelling at the speed limit has a lower differential of speed with the car turning left then a car traveling at a higher rate of speed. if this collision happened at the speed limit I'm sure we'd get to hear what the people driving the car turning left would have to say about this collision.

Thirdly a car travelling fast and a car travelling slow, The faster car is covering more distance over a certian period of time. The slower car is therefore easier to see because it remains closer to it's relative starting point for a longer period of time then the faster car. If fast objects were easier to see we would have higher speed limits in School zones instead of slower ones. and I would be able to see the motorbikes that go zooming past me at a high rate of speed. Slower Objects give an observer more time to see and recognize the object before it passes out of view.

Fourth, you can't remove time fromt he equation and then state a speed since speed is distance over time, you are factoring it in.

Fifth, this was a collision, not an accident, an accident, is a mistake made that wasn't suppose to result in damage, Milk spilled is an accident, The Majority of collisions are caused by either poor upkeep of a vehicle or 99% of the time by driver error. it was a collision because it was avoidable, had the actions of either drivers been different. For example, the person turning left could of waited for a yellow or red to clear the intersection, but more importantly the 2 individuals accused of street racing could of been going at a slower speed and not at the high rate of speed they are accused of.

I will not say whose fault the collision was. there is one party involved that I can't communicate with or get a story from. But I will say this, I won't automatically use the insurance rules for determining fault, why? because most of the time they don't take into account the full picture. I'll wait to see what this courts decide when all evidence is brought forth...

ButI will suggest this, don't try to throw the laws of physics out the window because they don't work for you.

imported_Team Rukus

matter of fact i did and passed the course with a 93 percent. Wrong when you say a slower car can stop faster. This is not a constant and other factors have to be involved aswell ie. brakes, tires, momentum etc....
So your wrong when you throw out a statement like that.

and speed is DEFINATELY not the only factor in death. Things like location of the accident on the vehicle, driver position, passanger position, safety equipement on board etc have a MAJOR PART in this. so once again your wrong when you throw out a statement like this.

as for the faster car being easier to spot let me rephrase my initial comment so its easier for you to understand.
ITS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. NEXT TO NO TRAFFIC. ONLY LIGHTS ARE OF THE CAR DRIVEN BY THE PEOPLE AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND STREET LIGHTS. There is no sunlight and moonlight is not enough to distort vision. When you look to the left of the street that your going to turn into you see TWO SETS OF LIGHTS on the STREET. What else could it be? an alien space ship? HELL NO its a car. If you cant make out that its a car then you shouldnt be driving. YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO SEE THE CAR for you to tell that when there are lights on a street where cars are supposed to be driven that its a vehicle of some sort. NEXT WOULD BE the fact that the light keeps amplifying and gets brighter and brigeter this indicated that the object is getting closer and closer THIS IS SIMPLE COMMON SENSE. And this is the part where i say its easier to spot a faster moving car then a slower car. A car that is travelling at speed limit will have a consistant rate of increase of the light amplification almost seems like it isnt moving at all because the vehicle your travelling at gives it that illusion. A car travelling double the speed or more would amplify its lights to get bigger and bigger MUCH faster and therefore indicating speed. If this was in broad day light your argument can hold true but it was night so it cant.

So yes physics hasnt changed but we are not reading "ideal situations" like you read in a grade 12 physics book. If this world was based on that things would be PERFECT and there would be no need for lawyers and court systems as the accused will be guilty no matter what.

Please find a better argument cuz you got PWNED

lol


jk jay i still love ya.

imported_Moe_Mentum

Since when was I ever a factor in this accident?


So is it not confirmed whether or not the cars were indeed racing or whether or not the one car was speeding? Its just funny how you hear one thing but its not even proven yet. So why don't we all assume that the two Married couple were drunk from celebrating there aniversary and didn't see or hear the street racers coming when making the left turn.