4 lugs vs 5 lugs?
04-Jun-2003, 07:13 PM
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4 lugs vs 5 lugs?
What's the advantage between 4 and 5 lugs wheels? Would a 5 lug locks better then a 4 lug wheel?
If it does, why don't we all ride on 5 lug wheels? Or small wheels don't have enough room for 5 holes?
If it does, why don't we all ride on 5 lug wheels? Or small wheels don't have enough room for 5 holes?
05-Jun-2003, 01:32 AM
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5 is better for holding on the wheels, but it adds a bit of sprung weight. For street use, it doesn't really matter. If you're asking about the ITR brakes vs Civic/Integra brakes, it's a different story.
05-Jun-2003, 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by SW20 MR2
5 is better for holding on the wheels, but it adds a bit of sprung weight. For street use, it doesn't really matter. If you're asking about the ITR brakes vs Civic/Integra brakes, it's a different story.
5 is better for holding on the wheels, but it adds a bit of sprung weight. For street use, it doesn't really matter. If you're asking about the ITR brakes vs Civic/Integra brakes, it's a different story.
09-Jun-2003, 01:42 PM
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ITR is 4 wheel disc.
I think what he means is that $1000 (w/o ITR rims) is not worth getting, when a SIR/GSR setup can be had for $500 or less.
When converting to a 5lug your gonna need 5 bolt rims too, as opposed to using your existing 4 bolt pattern. It all depends on how fast you wanna go to justify getting the ITR brake setup, for street use the SIR/GSR setup is good enough.
I think what he means is that $1000 (w/o ITR rims) is not worth getting, when a SIR/GSR setup can be had for $500 or less.
When converting to a 5lug your gonna need 5 bolt rims too, as opposed to using your existing 4 bolt pattern. It all depends on how fast you wanna go to justify getting the ITR brake setup, for street use the SIR/GSR setup is good enough.
09-Jun-2003, 01:48 PM
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So, really, you can just change the rotor to a bigger diameter, and get a bigger break (ie. Brembo or whatever) and it will work just as good or exceed ITR quality right?
So, cau you just grab the ITR calipers and use it?
So, cau you just grab the ITR calipers and use it?
10-Jun-2003, 10:14 PM
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You can't just get a bigger rotor and plan on bolting everything back on. If you get a bigger rotor then your anchor (the piece that holds the caliper) won't be able to bolt back up. The ITR calipers will not bolt up to athe sir or gsr brakes. If it was that easy then everyone would have done it.
Originally posted by Nova_Dust
So, really, you can just change the rotor to a bigger diameter, and get a bigger break (ie. Brembo or whatever) and it will work just as good or exceed ITR quality right?
So, cau you just grab the ITR calipers and use it?
So, really, you can just change the rotor to a bigger diameter, and get a bigger break (ie. Brembo or whatever) and it will work just as good or exceed ITR quality right?
So, cau you just grab the ITR calipers and use it?
11-Jun-2003, 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Nova_Dust
So what's so special about ITR's caliper? What are some of the equilvent caliper to the same quality?
So what's so special about ITR's caliper? What are some of the equilvent caliper to the same quality?
11-Jun-2003, 10:26 AM
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I know large calipers break better then small ones. Size does matter.
So large rotor goes with large caliper goes with more rim space. 4 lug or 5 lug doesn't matter in this case right?
So given the choice on hand, would you go with 5 lugs over 4? Assume you keep the same caliper size as the previous size.
So large rotor goes with large caliper goes with more rim space. 4 lug or 5 lug doesn't matter in this case right?
So given the choice on hand, would you go with 5 lugs over 4? Assume you keep the same caliper size as the previous size.
11-Jun-2003, 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Nova_Dust
So given the choice on hand, would you go with 5 lugs over 4? Assume you keep the same caliper size as the previous size.
So given the choice on hand, would you go with 5 lugs over 4? Assume you keep the same caliper size as the previous size.
I recently purchased an integra suspension to replace my civic one...the rotors are a little larger (3/8" I believe)in dia. and the calipers are larger than my civic's, although I never driven a civic with an upgraded suspension and brakes, but I've been told that the braking difference is quite noticable. This is part due to the master cylinder + booster upgrade. From the 13/16" booster (civic stock) to 1" booster integra.
you may want to look into this kind of swap, for about 500-600 you can have this type of setup. the 5 lug (integra Type R) is about 1500 without the rims & tires...
considering Honda will charge you..I dunno, uh maybe 350 to replace with the factory brakes...
11-Jun-2003, 11:18 AM
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Going with the ITR setup is cheaper than buying aftermarket rotors. While a nice Wilwood 4-pot setup (fastbrakes.com) would be better than the ITR setup, they would cost more, especially if you're converting from rear drums.
11-Jun-2003, 12:28 PM
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Adam, that 500-600 price is for GSR breaks right?
You see, I just don't understand that if 5 lugs lock better then 4, then why don't all cars come with 5 lugs? I mean, is it cheaper to drill one less hole? (that's a joke, in case some of you didnt' get it). Or is the 5 lug set up cost more money initially because you have to use better stuff? Like 1 inch booster compare to 13/16.
Adam, what I was saying was that if you have the choice of choosing between 4 and 5 lugs, using the same break setup (whether it being big caliper of small caliper, doesn't matter), and we are not talking about upgrade here, what would you choose?
You see, I just don't understand that if 5 lugs lock better then 4, then why don't all cars come with 5 lugs? I mean, is it cheaper to drill one less hole? (that's a joke, in case some of you didnt' get it). Or is the 5 lug set up cost more money initially because you have to use better stuff? Like 1 inch booster compare to 13/16.
Adam, what I was saying was that if you have the choice of choosing between 4 and 5 lugs, using the same break setup (whether it being big caliper of small caliper, doesn't matter), and we are not talking about upgrade here, what would you choose?
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