MMO is now available at PartSource and I've also seen it at independent part retailers (smaller shops). Seafoam is available at NAPA and is pretty cheap too!!! I like it! GM top engine cleaner is a pretty harsh alternative, and being a 98 Honda engine, I doubt you need that much cleaning power. We generally don't have a problem with carbon buildup since our cars are well designed. Only use it as directed on the can, any other use (like in gas or oil) I wouldn't recommend cuz I'm unsure of the compatibility issues (specifically seals and gaskets). Some petroelum products like GM cleaner may attack our fuel hoses, rubber o-rings, and so on... and may cause a failure. So go to NAPA and get the Seafoam stuff, cuz it's less corrosive and is safe for use in both fuel and oil systems, as well as sucking it in throught a vacuum port.

 

what the F*** is wrong with you people ... i never said putting a load on the engine ISNT better, i said NOT putting a load on the engine WILL create HEAT and therefor WILL burn CARBON (maybe not as efficiently but it still will)... b16civic ur ****ed, i never said THAT I rev my car in neutral, the last time i decarbonized i USED AT fluid and took her on the highway .. you're the dumbass gatherer.. you really are a moron, if you run tied by a rope in air you will burn calories, and burning calories is good for you, and therefor will INCREASE ur lifespan not decrease it.. really, what you said makes NO sense..... OBVIOUSLY none of you got my point, if you dont think reving a car in neutral DOESNT create heat then theres something seriously wrong with you... try this out next time u drive... start the car and sit there reving it at 5000 rpm, i GUARANTEE that the engine will warm up quiker..

"the physics discription of work states ENERGY expended to MOVE an object"

calories is energy... theres 31 548 757.2 calories in a gallon of gasoline, or 31,000 food calories(which would be quite a bit for a human if they could run on gasoline, theyd last two weeks on a gallon of gas)... if the object had to be moving for it to be expanding energy then why does ur car burn gas in neutral and NOT MOVING ANYWHERE (keep in mind that gas has calories and calories is ENERGY)... maybe because physics DOESNT consider the fact that cars have Transmissions or maybe the thing that's "MOVING" is your pistons.. u were OWNED...

Let me guess GATHERER ur the type of guy that thinks torque is the determining factor in how fast a car can accelerate.

 

 

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oh.. and i was never refering to you DoubaD when i said what the f*** is wrong with you people.. only the ones like gatherer, b16civic, My93Civic, the ones that were being c*cksuckers.. your post was fine and i agree with it.. how old are you anyway to use such big words?


and another thing "gathere"

"you win the dumbass award... reving the car without load will cause excessive wear and damage stuff... you need to have the engine do work.. "

when did i say its good... that wasnt my point... which is why i said this.. you even quoted it b4 you said i win an award

"and sit there reving it at 6000 or 7000 rpm.... is load is so important then it shouldnt do any harm to your engine.. .and ur engine should stay at the same temp.... "

you obviously dont get what im saying.. im saying that its BAD for you to rev ur engine at 6000 or 7000rpm... what i said right after "7000rpm..." is called SARCASM. i do AGREE with you... the point im making has nothing to do with with harming the engine. even if this is worse then using diesel in ur civic is not my point.. my point is it will burn carbon, maybe not as much but it will.. and if you dont believe me try it out sometimes.... i personally would never do it to my car, but you guys seem to think that

 

I'm sorry man, but you are entirely wrong. I know what you're saying makes sense to you, but all you need is an EGT gauge and you'll see what we're saying is correct and you're not. Fawk all the theory and physics in the world.... real world experience with an EGT is all that counts at this point. Again... imagine peddaling your bike downhill.... little effort. Peddaling your bike uphill, with the wind in your face... you'll get hella sweatier. Well, given the combustion temperature of solid carbon, you would NEED that extra heat. I know the engine gets hot even just idling, but the EGTs stay around 500 F which is nothing for carbon. When you're beating on it, the EGTs more than DOUBLE!!

 

alright, im done

 

yeah... okay, let's not. if you wanna have personal attacks, use msn or PM.

 

id like to hear what Doubad had to say, pm me if you have to.. why did you have to edit that... physics is non negotiable, but in some instances it makes no sense when applied to a car.. what i said in respect to what Gatherer said about something has to be moving to exert energy is right and hes wrong, unless you consider the thing moving to be the pistons (which he wasnt, he was talking about the car). and im RIGHT about that... so what are you saying bbarbulo... no matter how high you rev ur car and no matter for how long you do this, are you saying theres a limitation on how hot the combustion chambers temp will get.. and if im wrong about this fact, that ur CC will only get so hot i dont see why ur members like gatherer and b16civic had to be morons about the situation and award me with a dumbass award.. me "thinking" this is not that stupid

what i dont understand then is why ive seen guys purposely blow there engines (they were doing swaps).. and when that piston blows through the valve cover.. shes pretty damn hot, has a little red glow to her to... hot enough, i would think anyway, to burn some carbon..

 

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bah, let it go... you can't explain things to ppl who don't wanna accept it. project_civic is only looking at 1/2 the picture, and that's the work the engine is doing while turning...he's not looking at loading at all... it's like working out with no weights I can see project_civic at the gym pumping air and explaining to ppl there how it doesn't matter if you use weights or not. LOL