Honda Civic Performance - JDM Discussion Engine tech, forced induction, springs, shocks, brakes, tires, etc.

My wacky idea

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 11:17 AM
  #21  
imported_gatherer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,846
From: on a race track
Originally posted by bbarbulo
N2O only has one oxygen atom! That way the chemical reaction isn't as violent as with O2. The N2O breaks up under the heat and it frees up an extra oxygen atom which is free to roam about and combust. If there isn't enough fuel, the bastard will react with the aluminium that is you piston I'll continue later.
ohhh I under stand this .... but if your using pure O2 would you not want to inject less pure O2 then you would of N2O?
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 11:36 AM
  #22  
bbarbulo's Avatar
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 27,687
From: not Toronto
As for the helium question... it's way lighter than air. However, fluid physics dictates that a fluid in a container (tire) will not accelerate with the container. Take for example a 1/2 empty pop bottle and lay it on it's side. Note that you can roll the pop bottle, and the fluid inside (though somewhat turbulent) remains at the bottom of the bottle. The bottle turns independently of the fluid inside it. Same with the tire and the air inside. As for unsprung weight, there would be some advantages, but the fact is that helium has pretty small molecules, so a leak is more likely with helium than with air.

basically the problem with O2 injection is that if you introduce it unbuffered into the intake plenum like you do with N2O, the explosion becomes more uncontrolled (hot hot hot burn... think EGTs that would melt your engine together) and as a result cannot be contained inside the combustion chamber. Think of emissions control systems like EGR - exhaust is circulated into the intake to lower EGTs and reduce NOx emissions.

As for the leaf blower, the exhaust is independent of the blowing part... I haven't even seen a V8 with enough exhaust volume to blow leaves like that. It usese a seperate turbine to accelerate fresh air. The exahust on those things is like a little pea-shooter
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 11:48 AM
  #23  
imported_gatherer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,846
From: on a race track
it's all very interesting funds ... but

given an infinite number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of typewriters eventually they'll type the answer to this question.

anyways I wish I had money to burn and motors to blow up to test theories and not care.....
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 11:51 AM
  #24  
bbarbulo's Avatar
-- site donator --
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 27,687
From: not Toronto
others have tested before you... you just have to take my word for the blowing up part.

ever seen a hood blow clean off a car from a nitrous explosion.... take THAT and multiply it by 5X
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 12:06 PM
  #25  
imported_gatherer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,846
From: on a race track
ohhh I agree that it's not a very nice substance to play with .... but I'd still want to try and push the envelope or else why do I do this stuff?

anyways I have Ideas to get it to work .... but I'd have to have tons of money to payt for the engines I blow up on my road to finding a stable combination
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 04:31 PM
  #26  
DirtyLude's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 100
From: Toronto
A leaf blower blows 380cfm at 0 pressure. Increase the pressure and the cfm will drop dramaticly. It's not all that useful.

Oxygen burns far too hot. It would melt the combustion chamber. With pure O2, even aluminum will burn. I can't use soap to check for leaks on my O2 tank, cuz the soap could catch fire. It would be extremely difficult to stop preignition and then ultimately break everything.

It also burns far too quickly. It's extremely hard on the engine. In the ideal auto engine, combustion would be instantanious and occur right after TDC, but in real life, the engine would break very quickly. One of the advantages of higher octane fuel is that it burns slower.

The Nitrogen in Nitrous Oxide, slows down the combustion process to somewhat normal levels and provides cooling as well. Even nitrous gives a quick burn and is generally harder on the engine than the equivelant horsepower a supercharger makes.

If you got in a serious accident with that bottle of oxygen and it leaked, you and the nearest couple cars would go bye bye. There's no way you would be allowed near any racetrack if they knew you had a bottle of pure oxygen.
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 06:45 PM
  #27  
imported_gatherer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,846
From: on a race track
Originally posted by DirtyLude

If you got in a serious accident with that bottle of oxygen and it leaked, you and the nearest couple cars would go bye bye. There's no way you would be allowed near any racetrack if they knew you had a bottle of pure oxygen.
ohhh I know that ... but like i said given the money I'd experiment with it for ***** and giggles....
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 06:51 PM
  #28  
imported_zc_hatch's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,090
From: Kingston
how about part hydrogen,part oxygen...that would be like a kazillion horsepower! till it starts
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 07:00 PM
  #29  
imported_gatherer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,846
From: on a race track
Originally posted by zc_hatch
how about part hydrogen,part oxygen...that would be like a kazillion horsepower! till it starts
till it goes Ka Boom.....

I want a nuclear powered car.. I mean they took a nucluer reactor to the moon so they can make them small enough......
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 07:06 PM
  #30  
imported_BoOsTd's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,508
From: Montreal
Originally posted by gatherer


till it goes Ka Boom.....

I want a nuclear powered car.. I mean they took a nucluer reactor to the moon so they can make them small enough......


i want the Delorion from Back to the future...it runs on compost materials
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 07:41 PM
  #31  
imported_gatherer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,846
From: on a race track
Originally posted by BoOsTZeX




i want the Delorion from Back to the future...it runs on compost materials
yeah that would be cool.....
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 09:17 PM
  #32  
lordm's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,265
i have seen guys at the track spray c02 on the intake before a race to chill it to give your car colder air. you can buy c02 chillers for turbo intercoolers, it helps cool the air 2 times faster.
Old 08-Jan-2004 | 09:28 PM
  #33  
imported_gatherer's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 17,846
From: on a race track
Originally posted by lordm
i have seen guys at the track spray c02 on the intake before a race to chill it to give your car colder air. you can buy c02 chillers for turbo intercoolers, it helps cool the air 2 times faster.
CO2 is ok it's a very very stable gas....
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
sirhondalot
Chit-Chat
44
03-Mar-2005 05:36 PM
L-SiR-Y
Custom Honda Civic Exterior - Lighting
10
11-Apr-2004 10:41 PM
Civic_on_tha_DL
CFz Discussion
10
01-Dec-2003 11:46 AM



Quick Reply: My wacky idea



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:37 AM.