Buddah

To this point, I've got a cold air intake, performance wires and plugs, and a cat-back exhaust system...is there anything else you could recommend to squeeze out just a lil' more juice from her?...please take into account, my other option is to swap a H22A into her...I have the engine but, am uncertain whether or not I should take the 'Civic' out of the 'Honda' and replace it with a 'Prelude'...because it just won't be a Civic anymore if you know what I mean...any suggestions would be appreciated...thanks.

R0Y

I say go for it
I'll still be a civic but with a different soul

evgenk

whitetiger524, did you notice any difference in the performace after doing all these mods?
and how big the difference was?

thanks man.

imported_Junior

Swap that ****!!

Buddah

thanks for replying to my request...I've noticed some change to torque and horsepower...Actually, just today, I had just installed a 4-2-1 header. It seems better now but, just by a fraction...I could feel more torque at 4000 rpm...just a lil kick on the highway. If I'm not mistaken, the stock engine produces about 106 HP...Now, it's up to about just over 120...with the mods so far. I've found that it's alright for daily driving and all but, still lacks the kick I had with the GSR I use to have which would be obvious being that the GSR was a DOHC at stock 172 but, still want to try squeezing as much as I can from the engine that I have now, before I go H22A. I want to make this a strickly Natural Aspired vehicle...any suggestions?

Jugglez

I can assure you your horsepower is nowhere near 120hp, not even to the flywheel. Flywheel horsepower is meaningless anyways. Power to the wheels is what counts. And you're probably around 85 or so.

You shoulda saved all that money you spent on the intake and header and gotten the H22A you're planning.

Buddah

Actually, I'm thinking about a supercharger and wonder if Jackson Racing or Vortec makes one for my year and model...if you know that they do, please reply and tell me who I should call about getting one...

Current mods to date : June 20th, 2002

AEM cold air intake system (custom)
Sparco Performance Wires and NGK Platimum Plugs
Saber Performance Sport Cat-back Exhaust (custom)
DCSports 4-2-1 header (ceramic)

and any other mods according to your recommendations...

Jugglez

Yeah there's a Jackson kit avilable for the D16Y7, slver-bullet has one. i think it's just the same kit as the '96-'00 Si's. Totally not worth it, for the same money you can get a GSR (if you can find one) motor installed and you'll be much faster, more reliable, and have even more potential for more power down the road. DOHC

Buddah

wow...85 HP? hehehe...I don't think so...maybe just under 120...hehehe...but not 85! thanks Jugglez but it's ok. I already have the H22A in my garage. I'm just not looking forward to the amount of work I have to do to restructuring the frame and making room for the H22A...I have all the mounting equipment for the engine but, feel it's too early to put it in until I've exhausted all possibilities with my current engine. I don't mind spending the money so long as I'm learning from each step I take. But, thanks for your reply. =)

Buddah

Hi Jugglez...thanks for your reply. I still have the GSR engine from my Integra...I was thinking of putting that one into the Civic but, the H22A temptation was just to great..hahaha...and plus, what would I do with the Integra shell? haha. Anyways, I agree totally that the GSR has more potential but, I'd really like to give the Civic the benefit of the doubt and see what I could do with it...I know SOHC sucks but, just want to experiment with it for now...

OcTaNeTeDdY

Don't use Sparco Wires they are ****... They mis-fire alot and the ends like to break.... I speak from experience and the experience of a very good mechanic.... I encountered major mis-fire and when I changed over to NGK wires all the mis-fires were gone.... They do look good, being a nice fat wire with pretty plastic mesh but they are ultamite ****... kinda pissed now since I recently spent $100 on them and now and they lasted only 3 weeks.... sigh...

honda_civic

Put some stickers on too make it go faster. Add HP in a instant...Nah...Stick with a H22, nice sleeper and well worth it. I say. Btw, hey D it is fat Rich...woo hooo..Good luck on the mod.

ryuujin

from the sounds of it, you definetely know what you're doing, so my question to you is why are you still trying to push the juice out of the SOHC?

Nevertheless you've pretty much done all you can do man (other than boosting the SOHC). So I suggest that you just move onto your DOHC project

You could always do the GSR swap into the Civic (to keep the A/C and less mounting hassle) and the H22A into your GSR hahahah That way you'd freak out everyone when you drive either cars man

Besides the GSR into the Civic would be easier since the mounts are pretty much similiar.

Buddah

Sup Rich...didn't expect to see you here...ya, so, I got that H22A finally...cost me about 3k but worth it...the mounting hardware cost me 650 U.S...DANG! hahaha. Still haven't put it in yet tho...so much work...hahahaha...I'll go nuts just trying to make room for it..oh wells...I guess it'll be worth it in the end.

Thanks OctaneTeddy for the reply. I'll have to replace them then...any particular NGK wires I should be looking for? I've had the Sparco ones for about 3 months now and no problems yet...*fingers crossed*. But, if what you say is true, I'd rather not take any chances and replace them asap. Thanks for the advice.

Thanks ryuujin for the reply. I don't know if taking out the GSR and putting it into the Civic then putting the H22A into the Integra would be such a good idea....for one, too much work for one person to do...two, I'm too lazy to do all that work...hahaha...and three, if I put the H22A in the Civic, I'll be faster than my Integra which sounds really kewl to me...hehehe. But, for now, I'm just trying different combinations for the SOHC as of this moment...I haven't got much time to work on her yet. But, when I do, I just might drop it in...hahaha....

Jugglez

Assuming your D16Y7 is stock, which i'm sure it is since you only listed "cold air intake, performance wires and plugs, and a cat-back exhaust system" in your 1st post, let's break all that down.

Stock D16Y7: 106 hp to the flywheel (rated by Honda)

Cold air intake: on a SOHC motor you are looking at gains of a few horsepower at a very high rpm, 6500+ rpm region. I'll be generous and say a gain of 5 hp, (when infact it is probably close to 2)

Performance plugs and wires: 0 hp gain. A stock motor will not gain anything from these mods. You'd be surprised how well the stock NGK plugs and wires perform.

Catback exhaust: you didn't state brand or diameter of the pipe, or if it has mandrel bends or just a hack and re-weld job so I have no clue. You're still running a stock header which is restrictive also. I'll be generous again and say 3 hp. Again on a stock SOHC motor you aren't seeing much of any gains.

So that's a grand total of 114 hp to the flywheel give or take.

Factor in your power steering, AC, and parisitic losses through a crappy D-series drivetrain, you are looking at 80-90 hp to the wheels. We all know accessories suck power, and Honda motors generally lose 15%-20% through the drivetrain, the D-series even more so.... and if your car is auto () *forget about it*

Go get it dynoed if you don't believe me. DPE is only a click away. www.dperacing.com

imported_SumAzunGuy

d16y7 are really crappy engines
haha when your turn on your air con it becomes like 50 hp

honda_civic

Duy,
U make it sound it is hopeless..hahaha...its the driver..lol..im kidding...BTW, wanna buy a set of VX rims and tires...pm if your interested..Byee~!

Buddah

Thanks Jugglez for the reply...I've really got to re-think the whole thing with what I've got so far. If this is true, then I just ventured on a futile adventure...hahaha...oh well, we live, we learn. Think I will drop the H22A in soon...just have to find time to tho. But, it's gonna be like such a task to do it...it's gonna take forever and a day...hahaha. Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it...

Sup Rich...ya sure...Vx...hmm, what do they look like and how much are they...call me...you have my cell I think or message me on ICQ...Let me see them first...Thanks dude.

GrEeNcIvIc

if you are going to do the engine swap soon does that mean that you are going to be selling the items that you put on already. if you are how much you want for the cai?