I've done a lot of reading regarding this setup, and I still found someone who had their rear subframe break entirely off.

So what kit out there doesnt break? Most of them will **** something up sooner or later, or is it better off to not even bother, because the only correct way would be to swap the LCA with ITR's, heck do a 5 bolt conversion while im at it.


Application is for an EG hatch.

 

Swapping your LCA and/or brakes would do nothing as it rips on the subframe. In general though, very few people (this is the first I've heard) using the Beaks/ITR combo have ripped their subframe. This one you describe is definitely the exception to the norm. I wouldn't hesitate to use the setup at all. I use it on my car.

 

I have the setup on my car as well with the BEAKS kit. No problems going on 2+ years.

Most of the stories, if not all of them, stem from people not using the BEAKS (or other kit) kit and just using the OEM mounting brackets.

 

User: Jackson

He has the beaks kit and look what happened..... weird eh?Honda-Tech Link

 

bahahaha, that thread is hilarious - I love how cocky the Cali guys are.

Tman, if you are having doubts about the ITR bar, just send it my way, I'll take care of it. If you are selling, I'll consider buying.

 

personally I'd go with a prgress 22 mm sway bar and the reinforcement that comes with it..... but it is expensive

 

I've read of the same thing happening with progress as well.

Oh well, I don't think a lower tie bar would be THAT significant to have upgraded, a good spring/shock combo with upper strut bars would do its job. I don't need my subframe collapsing on me.

B: I can probably get you an ITR bar if you need it.

 

Well, I was just gonna buy it from the dealership - if you think you can do better on the price, lemme know.

 

a lower tie bar and a sway bar are not the same thing .....

a lower tie bar shouldn't cause a subframe rip

 

If you're referring to a sway bar not making a difference, I suggest you rethink it. Bar none, a sway bar is the BEST suspension mod that you can do to the Civic. Shocks/springs don't even compare.

 

Kevin, IMO... this is true *BUT* I think where you get into trouble with the subframe is asking for too much from the sway bar. What I mean is using soft springs and relying on the bar to take care of weight transfer in the rear. It just can't happen... lest we not forget an ITR rear spring is 400 rate, whereas a lowly base Civic spring is.... I'mma guess here - maybe 1/2 that. Even most performance springs are 300-350 lbs which is better, but an ITR bar with stock rear springs is just asking for a disaster. I'd at least wanna combine the ITR springs with the sway for a real sleeper setup. It would make the car REAL twitchy on the highway.... let's just say I'd be reluctant to let anyone but me drive it.

 

If that is a concern, then buy the ITR subframe for your EG then

Same thing for EK, I would think.

 

Spring rates of various springs can be found here:

http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.ph...b=5&o=&fpart=1

 

j9chan, I'm wondering if that's KG or lbs cuz the ITR rates look really low... regardless, look at the 96-99 EX spring rate when compared to the ITR rate... you get what I'm saying, right?

 

based on the numbers those have to be lbs/in becuase kg/mm would be small numbers like 4 or 5 or 8 (5kg/mm is equal too around 279.73 lbs/in.... if I've done the math right)

 

sorry
I meant sway bar, not tie bar.

 

Yes, absolutely. I wasn't suggesting you use a sway bar with stock springs/shocks. I was just too lazy to type it out.

 

Why not just buy a GSR sway bar and GSR LCA's and install those.....that's what I did.

I also have a lower tie bar too.

 

what si the size of the GSR ???

for sway bar I dunno what I'd get if I was leaving the spring rates alone...

good thing those are changing....

 

GSR = 14mm

ITR = 22mm